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From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] x86/entry/32: Copy only ptregs on paranoid entry/exit path
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 23:42:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180720214237.GI18541@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWmd3arHdkTzAS7reLRjm96jrJC-1O5dYAPwbh2EqKMSA@mail.gmail.com>

[ Re-sending because I accidentially replied only to Andy ]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:09:26AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> Can you give an example of the exact scenario in which any of this
> copying happens and why it's needed?  IMO you should just be able to
> *run* on the entry stack without copying anything at all.

So for example when we execute RESTORE_REGS on the path back to
user-space and get an exception while loading the user segment
registers.

When that happens we are already on the entry-stack and on user-cr3.
There is no question that when we return from the exception we need to
get back to entry-stack and user-cr3, despite we are returning to kernel
mode. Otherwise we enter user-space with kernel-cr3 or get a page-fault
and panic.

The exception runs through the common_exception path, and finally ends
up calling C code. And correct me if I am wrong, but calling into C code
from the entry-stack is a bad idea for multiple reasons.

First reason is the size of the stack. We can make it larger, but how
large does it need to be?

Next problem is that current_pt_regs doesn't work in the C code when
pt_regs are on the entry-stack.

These problems can all be solved, but it wouldn't be a robust solution
because when changes to the C code are made they are usually not tested
while on the entry-stack. That case is hard to trigger, so it can easily
break again.

For me, only the x86 selftests triggered all these corner-cases, but not
all developers run them on 32 bit when making changes to generic x86
code.

Regards,

	Joerg

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-20 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-20 16:22 [PATCH 0/3] PTI for x86-32 Fixes and Updates Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/3] perf/core: Make sure the ring-buffer is mapped in all page-tables Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 17:06   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-20 17:48     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 19:32       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-20 21:37         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 22:20           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-21 21:06             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-20 19:27     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-07-20 19:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-20 19:43         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-07-20 19:53           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-07-20 19:37   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 20:36   ` tip-bot for Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/3] x86/entry/32: Check for VM86 mode in slow-path check Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 19:37   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 20:37   ` tip-bot for Joerg Roedel
2018-07-21 16:06   ` [PATCH 2/3] " Pavel Machek
2018-07-20 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86/entry/32: Copy only ptregs on paranoid entry/exit path Joerg Roedel
2018-07-20 17:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-20 21:42     ` Joerg Roedel [this message]
2018-07-23  3:49 ` [PATCH 0/3] PTI for x86-32 Fixes and Updates David H. Gutteridge
2018-07-23  7:29   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-26  3:47     ` David H. Gutteridge
2018-07-23 14:09 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-23 19:00   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-23 21:38     ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-23 21:50       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-23 21:55         ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-24 21:18         ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-23 21:59       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-07-23 22:07         ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-24 13:39     ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-24 14:39       ` Andy Lutomirski

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