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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Olof Johansson <olof@lxom.net>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 21:16:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180918191613.GD4501@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180917122430.GA3320@kroah.com>

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On Mon 2018-09-17 14:24:30, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 01:48:52PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > Seriously though, I read this to know what I need to be aware of but oddly
> > the language of this paragraph says it doesn't apply to me:  I'm not using
> > an official project e-mail address nor an official social media account,
> > nor has anyone appointed me as representative.  I can live with that, I'm
> > just wondering what the benefit of a document is that only seems to apply
> > to a tiny fraction of the community.
> 
> I do not think you are reading the document correctly.  As an example,
> it should cover any emails sent to this list.  That is not a "tiny
> fraction" by my last count :)

In typical "being nice but not really honest", you failed to answer
the other question in this comment.

Lukas asked:

> > to a tiny fraction of the community.  Has this CoC been discussed
> > anywhere?
> > I'm not seeing it in the LKML or ksummit-discuss archive.

And yes, I see problems with this CoC. You seriously expect "all
maintainers" to ban Al Viro for commenting in his usual funny way?

Derogatory comments are now prohibited, so what you do now when
receiving bad code? Ignore it completely? _That_ is evil.

What is wrong with ’s in the document? Normal ascii is '. Same mistake
was in Linus' announcement. Does it have same author?

Publishing email address without explicit permission is now
prohibited. WTF? How does that interact with signoffs? Merging GPLed
code is no longer allowed when the original author can not be reached?

Who is author of the document? First signoff is by Chris Mason (is
that signoff chain real?) but Greg is listed as author.

The document does not describe current practices. It was not
discussed. Yet it states that contributors pledge... and it tries to
speak for me? That does not exactly sound like a positive environment
to me.

No thanks,
									Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-18 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-17 11:48 Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it Lukas Wunner
2018-09-17 12:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-18 19:16   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2018-09-19 10:30     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-18 20:16   ` Lukas Wunner
     [not found]     ` <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de>
2018-09-20 10:57       ` Lukas Wunner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-19  6:00 Edward Cree
2018-09-19 14:18 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-09-19 23:35   ` Edward Cree
2018-09-20  1:16     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-20  2:14       ` Edward Cree
2018-09-21  1:48         ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-21  2:16           ` unixing
2018-09-21 13:07           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2018-09-21 16:34             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-21 23:15               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-21 23:20                 ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-21 23:31                 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-21 23:59                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-24 18:59                     ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 19:45                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-25  2:24                         ` gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-25 17:14                         ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26  0:41                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-26 19:34                             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26 20:55                               ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-28 18:34                                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-28 15:56                             ` Alan Cox
2018-09-28 19:38                               ` jonsmirl
2018-09-29 12:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-29 12:46                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-22  0:05                   ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-22  0:24                     ` jonsmirl
2018-09-24 17:43                       ` Max Filippov
2018-09-24 18:07                         ` jonsmirl
2018-09-23 18:44                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 23:48                 ` Michael Woods
2018-09-24 17:25             ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-25 11:28         ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-25 12:36           ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 13:13             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-25 13:41               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 17:38                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 13:28             ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-26 10:24               ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-25 15:14             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-25 22:30               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-26 11:17               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-20  3:07       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-20  4:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-09-20  9:27         ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20 22:57           ` Edward Cree
2018-09-23 14:50             ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-23 18:41             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 17:21             ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20  9:29         ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20 21:18 Christoph Conrads
2018-09-21  8:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-21 11:36   ` Christoph Conrads

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