From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AB0ECE560 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E086320645 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=thunk.org header.i=@thunk.org header.b="nYsugQkM" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E086320645 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726464AbeIVFG5 (ORCPT ); Sat, 22 Sep 2018 01:06:57 -0400 Received: from imap.thunk.org ([74.207.234.97]:34090 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725800AbeIVFG5 (ORCPT ); Sat, 22 Sep 2018 01:06:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gWvvWPaXUHpa2blpiIZETeUIbMndprPssLGTBQ4PZsE=; b=nYsugQkMw3MQhwae2oVDJQAXHY Awun98UiIX2/SPtzZy74HMH0NC9SFUouXo6lO3OvRt84yaGTb4gFfUScz22o2ps7t3gvXrQgAl3j2 5vQaLpgbtffJ0H9UgCR40JG2Jj2+MVRqdIAvtpwZEIM031/U2qzoY0gGJai3Tr5XYz0U=; Received: from root (helo=callcc.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g3UeI-0000s0-K1; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:15:46 +0000 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id DE59A7A01DE; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:15:45 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: "\\0xDynamite" Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Rik van Riel , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-ID: <20180921231545.GC2966@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , "\\0xDynamite" , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Rik van Riel , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> <93b77a9a-12c3-6f7d-d2c3-0e0d7875a28b@cantab.net> <589966d9cd0ddccc88f33fcb7975bb4464be7696.camel@surriel.com> <87zhwbj8xe.fsf@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org People can decide who they want to respond to, but I'm going to gently suggest that before people think about responding to a particular e-mail, that they do a quick check using "git log --author=xyzzy@example.com" then decide how much someone appears to be a member of the community before deciding how and whether their thoughts are relevant. There are a lot of strong feelings on this issue, and allowing people who aren't members of the Linux kernel development community, to escalate the rhetoric --- either in the pro- or anti- CoC direction, and whether on mailing lists, github comment threads, Twitter, or Reddit --- is not helpful. For example.... > >* Showing empathy towards other community members > > Your pussy hurts? Maybe you should have just accepted that your a boy! > > I think Linus is perfectly fine in conduct. I mean, this bullshit > pressure comes from corporations and other wierd places (all > seeing eye) that want to "help". There are people commenting from all sides that are wanting to "help". But I hope that it is obvious that the above text is *not* *helpful*. Mark, please stop. - Ted