From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7FBC43382 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C1B20843 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:30:57 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E0C1B20843 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=thyrsus.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726284AbeIZEkk (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 Sep 2018 00:40:40 -0400 Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5]:37836 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725736AbeIZEkj (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 Sep 2018 00:40:39 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3BD663A42A5; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 18:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 18:30:31 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Christoph Conrads , Pavel Machek , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-ID: <20180925223031.GA20619@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: esr@thyrsus.com, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Christoph Conrads , Pavel Machek , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> <93b77a9a-12c3-6f7d-d2c3-0e0d7875a28b@cantab.net> <20180925112832.GA10951@amd> <20180925143645.af1457944142ecfec7199d80@christoph-conrads.name> <20180925151406.GB2933@thunk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180925151406.GB2933@thunk.org> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Theodore Y. Ts'o : > There have been those who have characterized the GPL as being more > than just a license, but also a political statement. And yet, many > projects, include Linus, use the GPL without necessarily subscribing > to all of Richard Stallman's positions, political or otherwise. The case isn't parallel. Every kernel dev knew they were joining a commons defined by GPL terms when they signed on. Regulation of soi-disant "hateful" speech and "diversity" objectives, on the other hand, are a *new* set of claims and norms not entailed in established practice. There ought to be much broader consensus before anything like that is done - and I would say that even about new political claims I myself supported. Instead, what we have is open revolt from a dissident faction that thinks the project would be better destroyed than under the CoC. That should be a clue that imposing the CoC without a lot of public discussion and preparation was a mistake, and it should be revereted until at least rough consensus in fovor of some improvement on the old Code is achieved. -- Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.