From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
longman@redhat.com, andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com,
tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking/qspinlock: Optimize for x86
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 14:19:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181002131952.GD16422@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181001200028.GO3439@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 10:00:28PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 06:17:00PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Thanks for chewing up my afternoon ;)
>
> I'll get you a beer in EDI ;-)
Just one?!
> > But actually,
> > consider this scenario with your patch:
> >
> > 1. CPU0 sees a locked val, and is about to do your xchg_relaxed() to set
> > pending.
> >
> > 2. CPU1 comes in and sets pending, spins on locked
> >
> > 3. CPU2 sees a pending and locked val, and is about to enter the head of
> > the waitqueue (i.e. it's right before xchg_tail()).
> >
> > 4. The locked holder unlock()s, CPU1 takes the lock() and then unlock()s
> > it, so pending and locked are now 0.
> >
> > 5. CPU0 sets pending and reads back zeroes for the other fields
> >
> > 6. CPU0 clears pending and sets locked -- it now has the lock
> >
> > 7. CPU2 updates tail, sees it's at the head of the waitqueue and spins
> > for locked and pending to go clear. However, it reads a stale value
> > from step (4) and attempts the atomic_try_cmpxchg() to take the lock.
> >
> > 8. CPU2 will fail the cmpxchg(), but then go ahead and set locked. At this
> > point we're hosed, because both CPU2 and CPU0 have the lock.
>
> Let me draw a picture of that..
>
>
> CPU0 CPU1 CPU2 CPU3
>
> 0) lock
> trylock -> (0,0,1)
> 1)lock
> trylock /* fail */
>
> 2) lock
> trylock /* fail */
> tas-pending -> (0,1,1)
> wait-locked
>
> 3) lock
> trylock /* fail */
> tas-pending /* fail */
>
> 4) unlock -> (0,1,0)
> clr_pnd_set_lck -> (0,0,1)
> unlock -> (0,0,0)
>
> 5) tas-pending -> (0,1,0)
> read-val -> (0,1,0)
> 6) clr_pnd_set_lck -> (0,0,1)
> 7) xchg_tail -> (n,0,1)
> load_acquire <- (n,0,0) (from-4)
> 8) cmpxchg /* fail */
> set_locked()
>
> > Is there something I'm missing that means this can't happen? I suppose
> > cacheline granularity ends up giving serialisation between (4) and (7),
> > but I'd *much* prefer not to rely on that because it feels horribly
> > fragile.
>
> Well, on x86 atomics are fully ordered, so the xchg_tail() does in
> fact have smp_mb() in and that should order it sufficient for that not
> to happen I think.
Hmm, does that actually help, though? I still think you're relying on the
cache-coherence protocol to serialise the xchg() on pending before the
xchg_tail(), which I think is fragile because they don't actually overlap.
> But in general, yes ick. Alternatively, making xchg_tail an ACQUIRE
> doesn't seem too far out..
>
> > Another idea I was playing with was adding test_and_set_bit_acquire()
> > for this, because x86 has an instruction for that, right?
>
> LOCK BTS, yes. So it can do a full 32bit RmW, but it cannot return the
> old value of the word, just the old bit (in CF).
>
> I suppose you get rid of the whole mixed size thing, but you still have
> the whole two instruction thing.
I really think we need that set of pending to operate on the whole lock
word.
> > > + /*
> > > + * Ensures the tail load happens after the xchg().
> > > + *
> > > + * lock unlock (a)
> > > + * xchg ---------------.
> > > + * (b) lock unlock +----- fetch_or
> > > + * load ---------------'
> > > + * lock unlock (c)
> > > + *
> >
> > I failed miserably at parsing this comment :(
> >
> > I think the main issue is that I don't understand how to read the little
> > diagram you've got.
>
> Where fetch_or() is indivisible and has happens-before (a) and
> happens-after (c), the new thing is in fact divisible and has
> happens-in-between (b).
>
> Of the happens-in-between (b), we can either get a new concurrent
> locker, or make progress of an extant concurrent locker because an
> unlock happened.
>
> But the rest of the text might indeed be very confused. I think I wrote
> the bulk of that when I was in fact doing a xchg16 on locked_pending,
> but that's fundamentally broken. I did edit it afterwards, but that
> might have just made it worse.
Ok, maybe just remove it :)
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-10-02 13:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-26 11:01 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] locking/qspinlock: Improve determinism for x86 Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 11:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] locking/qspinlock: Re-order code Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-01 17:17 ` Will Deacon
2018-09-26 11:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] locking/qspinlock: Rework some comments Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-01 17:17 ` Will Deacon
2018-10-01 19:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 13:20 ` Will Deacon
2018-10-02 13:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 11:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking/qspinlock: Optimize for x86 Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 16:30 ` Waiman Long
2018-09-26 17:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27 7:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 20:52 ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-27 7:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27 7:47 ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-27 7:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27 8:13 ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-27 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27 12:16 ` David Laight
2018-10-01 17:17 ` Will Deacon
2018-10-01 20:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 13:19 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-10-02 14:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 12:31 ` Andrea Parri
2018-10-02 13:22 ` Will Deacon
2018-10-02 13:44 ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-26 15:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] locking/qspinlock: Improve determinism " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2018-09-26 15:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-26 15:38 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2018-09-26 16:20 ` Waiman Long
2018-09-26 17:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 23:21 ` Waiman Long
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