From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AFCC43441 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B992086D for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:33:46 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 14B992086D Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=thyrsus.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726212AbeJKF54 (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:57:56 -0400 Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5]:42680 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725968AbeJKF54 (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:57:56 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 40E793A42A6; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:33:19 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Josh Triplett Cc: Frank Rowand , Geert Uytterhoeven , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors Message-ID: <20181010223319.GA31256@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: esr@thyrsus.com, Josh Triplett , Frank Rowand , Geert Uytterhoeven , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20181007085102.17795-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181010221611.GA5711@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181010221611.GA5711@localhost> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Josh Triplett : > > The words removed by this patch are a political statement. > > Choosing not to say those words is a political statement. The situation is not symmetrical. Choosing the protected classes in the CoC is a *change* in its implied politics. It's a change that is, obviously from LKML traffic, very contentious. If this were a tpurely technical matter, it would be described as not backwards-compatible. It's a change that, I submit, should not have been made without a clear consensus *in favor* of the change. Our culture has a process for this. It's called RFCs. If we want to designate protected classes to be called out in conductt guidelines, an RFC should be floated first and the change should be made only if rough consensus has been achieved. -- Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.