From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46255ECDE32 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E600A2098A for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:00:44 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E600A2098A Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=joshtriplett.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727827AbeJQX5E (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:57:04 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:54303 "EHLO relay1-d.mail.gandi.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727013AbeJQX5D (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:57:03 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 50.39.174.102 Received: from localhost (50-39-174-102.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.39.174.102]) (Authenticated sender: josh@joshtriplett.org) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEA3424001C; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:00:36 -0700 From: Josh Triplett To: James Bottomley Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , Linux Kernel Mailing List , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, tomi.valkeinen@iki.fi Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors Message-ID: <20181017160036.GA18198@localhost> References: <20181017071902.30102-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181017091325.GA15991@localhost> <20181017152101.GA17531@localhost> <1539791355.3769.35.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1539791355.3769.35.camel@HansenPartnership.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 08:49:15AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 08:21 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > People in underrepresented and commonly marginalized groups, > > especially those more commonly overlooked, don't always know if a > > given group has taken their particular group into account or given > > any thought to it. Explicit inclusion helps, and this is a standard > > guideline often cited for good codes of conduct. > > Actually, that's not a good thing to do in a vacuum: you have to be > really careful about how you do this from a legal point of view. The > argument over whether enumerating specific rights or classes disparages > others has been going on for centuries. To give you an example of how > far back it goes: it's the reason for the ninth amendment to the US > constitution. > > The commonly accepted legal way of doing this today is the statement > > "examples of X include but are not limited to: ..." > > which is thought to work in most jurisdictions and is what you'll find > in all US corporate codes of conduct or ethics. Which is a much better proposal than removing the list entirely.