From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E317ECDE43 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 23:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E52204FD for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 23:36:59 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 47E52204FD Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=thyrsus.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728216AbeJVHxB (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 03:53:01 -0400 Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5]:55378 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726661AbeJVHxA (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 03:53:00 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CEF453A42A3; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 19:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 19:36:14 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: linux-kernel , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Thomas Gleixner , Olof Johansson , Chris Mason , Mishi Choudhary Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Message-ID: <20181021233614.GA17140@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: esr@thyrsus.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-kernel , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Thomas Gleixner , Olof Johansson , Chris Mason , Mishi Choudhary References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Greg Kroah-Hartman : > This patch series adds this new document to the kernel tree, as well as > removes a paragraph from the existing Code of Conduct that was > bothersome to many maintainers. I think the changes have improved it. There is still a process issue with how this code was promulgated that is clearly bothering a lot of people, but I hope that problem is well enough understood that we don't need to rehash it. More transparency, more consultation, and more notice of intent to revise would help head off future problems. I do have one content recommendation. In the version at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst which I presume is current, I see a paragraph that reads as follows: >In the interest of fostering an open and welcoming environment, we as >contributors and maintainers pledge to making participation in our project and >our community a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of age, body >size, disability, ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and >expression, level of experience, education, socio-economic status, nationality, >personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual identity and orientation. I recommend that all the text from "everyone" on be struck as (a) unnecessary, and (b) tending to embroil the project in politico-cultural wars that can do it no good - and replaced by "every individual". That is, the result would read: >In the interest of fostering an open and welcoming environment, we as >contributors and maintainers pledge to making participation in our project and >our community a harassment-free experience for every individual. That is all that needs to be said. Listing all those specific categories of "regardless of" implicitly privileges certain kinds of identity (those listed) and disfavors others (those not listed). Further, some of the phrases used fo categories are political shibboleths that unavoidably drag in American presumptions not appropriate for an international project. Best to leave the whole mess out and just pledge to treat individuals well. -- Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.