From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECFAC004D3 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A939920824 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:16:29 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org A939920824 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=joshtriplett.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727538AbeJXUoV (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:44:21 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:49799 "EHLO relay3-d.mail.gandi.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726812AbeJXUoU (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:44:20 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.7.230.215 Received: from localhost (unknown [185.7.230.215]) (Authenticated sender: josh@joshtriplett.org) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60A1460003; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:16:22 +0100 From: Josh Triplett To: NeilBrown Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-kernel , Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Mishi Choudhary Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Message-ID: <20181024121622.GA10942@localhost> References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20181021222608.GA24845@localhost> <875zxt919d.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875zxt919d.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 07:26:06AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21 2018, Josh Triplett wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 08:20:11AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > >> I call on you, Greg: > >> - to abandon this divisive attempt to impose a "Code of Conduct" > >> - to revert 8a104f8b5867c68 > >> - to return to your core competence of building a great team around > >> a great kernel > >> > >> #Isupportreversion > >> > >> I call on the community to consider what *does* need to be said, about > >> conduct, to people outside the community and who have recently joined. > >> What is the document that you would have liked to have read as you were > >> starting out? It is all too long ago for me to remember clearly, and so > >> much has changed. > > > > The document I would have liked to have read when starting out is > > currently checked into the source tree in > > Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst . > > I'm curious - what would you have gained by reading that document? I would have then had rather less of a pervasive feeling of "if I make even a single mistake I get made an example of in ways that will feed people's quotes files for years to come". See https://hbr.org/2017/08/high-performing-teams-need-psychological-safety-heres-how-to-create-it for more on the benefits of that.