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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: "Matwey V. Kornilov" <matwey@sai.msu.ru>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	matwey.kornilov@gmail.com, tfiga@chromium.org,
	stern@rowland.harvard.edu, ezequiel@collabora.com,
	hdegoede@redhat.com, hverkuil@xs4all.nl, mchehab@kernel.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, mingo@redhat.com, isely@pobox.com,
	bhumirks@gmail.com, colin.king@canonical.com,
	kieran.bingham@ideasonboard.com, keiichiw@chromium.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/2] media: usb: pwc: Don't use coherent DMA buffers for ISO transfer
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 22:38:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181031053808.GB22504@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2213616.rQm4DhIJ7U@avalon>

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:00:12AM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> As discussed before, we're clearly missing a proper non-coherent memory 
> allocation API. As much as I would like to see a volunteer for this, I don't 
> think it's a reason to block the performance improvement we get from this 
> patch.
> 
> This being said, I'm a bit concerned about the allocation of 16kB blocks from 
> kmalloc(), and believe that the priority of the non-coherent memory allocation 
> API implementation should be increased. Christoph, you mentioned in a recent 
> discussion on this topic that you are working on removing the existing non-
> coherent DMA allocation API, what is your opinion on how we should gllobally 
> solve the problem that this patch addresses ?

I hope to address this on the dma-mapping side for this merge window.
My current idea is to add (back) add dma_alloc_noncoherent-like API
(name to be determindes).  This would be very similar to to the
DMA_ATTR_NON_CONSISTENT to dma_alloc_attrs with the following
differences:

 - it must actually be implemented by every dma_map_ops instance, no
   falling back to dma_alloc_coherent like semantics.  For all actually
   coherent ops this is trivial as there is no difference in semantics
   and we can fall back to the 'coherent' semantics, for non-coherent
   direct mappings it also is mostly trivial as we generally can use
   dma_direct_alloc.  The only instances that will need real work are
   IOMMUs that support non-coherent access, but there is only about
   a handfull of those.
 - instead of using the only vaguely defined dma_cache_sync for
   ownership transfers we'll use dma_sync_single_* which are well
   defined and available everywhere

I'll try to prioritise this to get done early in the merge window,
but I'll need someone else do the USB side.

> > +	dma_sync_single_for_cpu(&urb->dev->dev,
> > +				urb->transfer_dma,
> > +				urb->transfer_buffer_length,
> > +				DMA_FROM_DEVICE);
> > +
> 
> As explained before as well, I think we need dma_sync_single_for_device() 
> calls, and I know they would degrade performances until we fix the problem on 
> the DMA mapping API side. This is not a reason to block the patch either. I 
> would appreciate, however, if a comment could be added to the place where 
> dma_sync_single_for_device() should be called, to explain the problem.

Yes, as a rule of thumb every dma_sync_single_for_cpu call needs to pair
with a previous dma_sync_single_for_device call.  (Exceptions like
selective use of DMA_ATTR_SKIP_CPU_SYNC proove the rule)

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-31  5:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-21 17:06 [PATCH v5 0/2] media: usb: pwc: Don't use coherent DMA buffers for ISO transfer Matwey V. Kornilov
2018-08-21 17:06 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] media: usb: pwc: Introduce TRACE_EVENTs for pwc_isoc_handler() Matwey V. Kornilov
2018-08-21 19:49   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-08-21 17:06 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] media: usb: pwc: Don't use coherent DMA buffers for ISO transfer Matwey V. Kornilov
2018-08-28  7:17   ` Matwey V. Kornilov
2018-09-11 18:58     ` Matwey V. Kornilov
2018-09-19 16:12       ` Ezequiel Garcia
2018-10-10 21:13       ` Matwey V. Kornilov
2018-10-30 22:00   ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-10-31  5:38     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2018-12-07 15:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-12  8:57       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-12  9:09         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-12  9:34           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-12 13:54             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-13  3:13               ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-13 14:03                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-14  3:12                   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-14 12:36                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-18  7:22                       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-18  7:38                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-18  9:48                           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-19  7:51                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-19  8:18                               ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-19 14:51                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-20  3:23                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-12-21  8:13                                     ` Christoph Hellwig

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