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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com, joel@joelfernandes.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 23/41] sched: Replace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu()
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:00:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181112090047.GN3056@worktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181112022455.GD4170@linux.ibm.com>

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 06:24:55PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> > > There were quite a few commits involved in making this happen.  Perhaps
> > > the most pertinent are these:
> > > 
> > > 3e3100989869 ("rcu: Defer reporting RCU-preempt quiescent states when disabled")
> > > 45975c7d21a1 ("rcu: Define RCU-sched API in terms of RCU for Tree RCU PREEMPT builds")
> > 
> > The latter; it does not mention that this will possible make
> > synchronize_sched() quite a bit more expensive on PREEMPT=y builds :/
> 
> In theory, sure.  In practice, people have switched any number of
> things from RCU-sched to RCU and back without problems.

Still, better safe than sorry. It was a rather big change in behaviour,
so it wouldn't have been strange to call that out.

> > But for PREEMPT=y synchronize_sched() can be quite a bit shorter than
> > synchronize_rcu(), since we don't have to wait for preempted read side
> > stuff.
> 
> Again, there are quite a few places that have managed that transition
> without issue.  Why do you expect this change to have problems that have
> not been seen elsewhere?

I'm not, I'm just taking issue with the Changelog.

> > Again, the patch didn't say that.
> > 
> > If the Changelog would've read something like:
> > 
> > "Since synchronize_sched() is now equivalent to synchronize_rcu(),
> > replace the synchronize_sched() usage such that we can eventually remove
> > the interface."
> > 
> > It would've been clear that the patch is a nop and what the purpose
> > was.
> 
> I can easily make that change.

Please, sufficient doesn't imply necessary etc.. A changelog should
always clarify why we do the patch.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-12  9:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-11 19:41 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/41] More RCU flavor consolidation cleanup for v4.21/v5.0 Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/41] rcu: Remove unused rcu_state externs Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/41] rcu: Fix rcu_{node,data} comments about gp_seq_needed Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/41] rcu: Eliminate synchronize_rcu_mult() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/41] rcu: Consolidate the RCU update functions invoked by sync.c Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/41] sched/membarrier: Replace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/41] sparc/oprofile: Convert timer_stop() to use synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/41] s390/mm: Convert tlb_table_flush() to use call_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/41] powerpc: Convert hugepd_free() " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/41] crypto/pcrypt: Replace synchronize_rcu_bh() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-16  5:56   ` Herbert Xu
2018-11-27 17:19     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/41] drivers/ipmi: Replace synchronize_sched() " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12 15:38   ` Corey Minyard
2018-11-12 16:04     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12 16:15       ` Corey Minyard
2018-11-12 16:28         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/41] ethernet/sis: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/41] ethernet/realtek: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/41] ethernet/intel/ixgbe: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-13 16:54   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Bowers, AndrewX
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/41] drivers/vhost: Replace synchronize_rcu_bh() " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/41] cpufreq/intel_pstate: Replace synchronize_sched() " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 16/41] cpufreq/cpufreq_governor: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 17/41] fs/file: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 18/41] tracing: Replace synchronize_sched() and call_rcu_sched() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12  2:09   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 19/41] main: Replace rcu_barrier_sched() with rcu_barrier() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 20/41] kprobes: eplace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12  3:00   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-11-12  3:19     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-13 18:08       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-11-13 19:22         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/41] lockdep: Replace " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 22/41] sched/membarrier: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 23/41] sched: Replace " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12  0:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-12  0:45     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12  0:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-12  1:47         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12  2:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-12  2:24             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12  9:00               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-11-12 13:28                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12 18:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-12 20:20                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-12 22:21                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-26 19:59                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 24/41] modules: Replace synchronize_sched() and call_rcu_sched() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12 12:48   ` Jessica Yu
2018-11-12 16:31     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 25/41] workqueue: Replace call_rcu_sched() with call_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-13 15:48   ` Tejun Heo
2018-11-13 19:21     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 26/41] events: Replace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 27/41] percpu-refcount: Replace call_rcu_sched() with call_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-13 15:48   ` Tejun Heo
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 28/41] slab: Replace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 29/41] mm: Replace call_rcu_sched() with call_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:43 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 30/41] netfilter: Replace call_rcu_bh(), rcu_barrier_bh(), and synchronize_rcu_bh() Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-01 11:35   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 31/41] net/sched: Replace call_rcu_bh() and rcu_barrier_bh() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 32/41] net/core: Replace call_rcu_bh() and synchronize_rcu_bh() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 33/41] net/bridge: Replace call_rcu_bh() and rcu_barrier_bh() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-13  0:29   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 34/41] percpu-rwsem: Replace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-13 15:49   ` Tejun Heo
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 35/41] types: Remove call_rcu_bh() and call_rcu_sched() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 36/41] cgroups: Replace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-13 15:50   ` Tejun Heo
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 37/41] livepatch: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 38/41] net/core/skmsg: Replace call_rcu_sched() with call_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 39/41] net/decnet: Replace rcu_barrier_bh() with rcu_barrier() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 40/41] tools/kernel.h: Replace synchronize_sched() with synchronize_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-11 19:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 41/41] rcutorture/formal: " Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12 14:07 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/41] More RCU flavor consolidation cleanup for v4.21/v5.0 Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-11-12 16:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-12 21:40     ` Sasha Levin
2018-11-12 22:16       ` Paul E. McKenney

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