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From: "Tobin C. Harding" <me@tobin.cc>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vishal.l.verma@intel.com,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Steve French <stfrench@microsoft.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [RFC PATCH 2/3] MAINTAINERS, Handbook: Subsystem Profile
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:56:51 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181115235651.GD5782@caerus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pnv6ivl7.fsf@intel.com>

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:38:44AM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote:
> 
> Cc: linux-doc
> 
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> > As presented at the 2018 Linux Plumbers conference [1], the Subsystem
> > Profile is proposed as a way to reduce friction between committers and
> > maintainers and perhaps encourage conversations amongst maintainers
> > about best practice policies.
> >
> > The profile contains short answers to some of the common policy
> > questions a contributor might have, or that a maintainer might consider
> > formalizing. The current list of maintenance policies is:
> >
> > Overview: General introduction to maintaining the subsystem
> > Core: List of source files considered core
> > Leaf: List of source files that consume core functionality
> > Patches or Pull requests: Simple statement of expected submission format
> > Last -rc for new feature submissions: Expected lead time for submissions
> > Last -rc to merge features: Deadline for merge decisions
> > Non-author Ack / Review Tags Required: Patch review economics
> > Test Suite: Pass this suite before requesting inclusion
> > Resubmit Cadence: When to ping the maintainer
> > Trusted Reviewers: Help for triaging patches
> > Time Zone / Office Hours: When might a maintainer be available
> > Checkpatch / Style Cleanups: Policy on pure cleanup patches
> > Off-list review: Request for review gates
> > TODO: Potential development tasks up for grabs, or active focus areas
> >
> > The goal of the Subsystem Profile is to set expectations for
> > contributors and interim or replacement maintainers for a subsystem.
> 
> First of all, I welcome documentation efforts like this.
> 
> The cover letter mainly focuses on the maintainer aspect, and the
> documentation is added to the maintainer handbook. However, here you set
> the goal as setting expectations for contributors. The example nvdimm
> profile in patch 3/3 addresses the reader as a new maintainer, yet goes
> on to set expectations also for contributors, not just the maintainer.
> 
> I do think the documentation for contributors and maintainers/committers
> should be kept separate. Most contributors will never care about the
> documentation for the latter. We have Documentation/process for
> contributors, and I think the audience of Documentation/maintainer
> should be strictly maintainers.
> 
> In summary, I do think we need all of the documentation you propose, and
> I appreciate you taking this on, but I think this should be split by
> audience.

I got confused by this at first also Jani.  This document is a template
for use by maintainers.  The files created from the template (by a
subsystem maintainer) are for contributors.  So I believe this document
is in the correct place.

Hope this helps to clarify.

     Tobin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-15 23:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-15  4:53 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Maintainer Handbook: Subsystem Profile Dan Williams
2018-11-15  4:53 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] MAINTAINERS: Reclaim the P: tag for " Dan Williams
2018-11-15  5:39   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-15 20:12     ` Joe Perches
2018-11-15  4:53 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] MAINTAINERS, Handbook: " Dan Williams
2018-11-15  5:48   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Julia Lawall
2018-11-15  7:59     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-11-15 13:47       ` Julia Lawall
2018-11-16 12:44         ` Jani Nikula
2018-11-16 17:56           ` Joe Perches
2018-11-17 14:12             ` Rob Herring
2018-11-17 17:03               ` Julia Lawall
2018-11-20  7:28             ` Jani Nikula
2018-11-15  5:49   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-15  7:58   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-11-15  8:38   ` Jani Nikula
2018-11-15 18:03     ` Tim.Bird
2018-11-15 23:56     ` Tobin C. Harding [this message]
2018-11-15 15:44   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-16 23:28     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-11-17 11:57     ` Hans Verkuil
2018-11-16  0:11   ` Frank Rowand
2018-11-16 12:04     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-16 18:57       ` Dan Williams
2018-11-18 12:58         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-18 17:31           ` Dan Williams
2018-11-18 17:31             ` Dan Williams
2018-11-18 17:34               ` Dan Williams
2018-11-18 17:44                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-16 16:47     ` Frank Rowand
2018-11-15  4:53 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] libnvdimm, MAINTAINERS: " Dan Williams
2018-11-15  8:03   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-11-15 14:10     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-15 16:20       ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-11-15 19:09         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-15 19:35           ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-11-15 19:40             ` Luck, Tony
2018-11-15 19:43               ` Joe Perches
2018-11-16 11:39                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-18  7:12                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-11-16 11:33             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-16 12:00               ` Jan Kara
2018-11-18  7:00               ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-11-16 20:36         ` Rodrigo Vivi
2018-11-16 23:44           ` Dan Williams
2018-11-17  0:38             ` NeilBrown
2018-11-18 13:11               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-18 13:03             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-20  8:10               ` Jani Nikula
2018-11-20 19:31                 ` Dan Williams
2018-11-26 11:12                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-26 15:55                   ` Joe Perches
2018-11-16 19:13     ` Dan Williams
2018-11-15 14:30   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-15 14:51     ` Julia Lawall
2018-11-16 19:20     ` Dan Williams
2018-11-16  2:58   ` y-goto
2018-11-17  0:32   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " David Woodhouse
2018-11-15  5:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Maintainer Handbook: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-11-25 10:57 ` Pavel Machek
2018-11-25 20:55   ` Dan Williams

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