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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] zram: support idle page writeback
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 15:59:26 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181122065926.GG3441@jagdpanzerIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181122063103.GB211816@google.com>

On (11/22/18 15:31), Minchan Kim wrote:
> > 
> > I got what you mean now. Let's call it as "incompressible page wrieback"
> > to prevent confusing.
> > 
> > "incompressible page writeback" would be orthgonal feature. The goal is
> > "let's save memory at the cost of *latency*". If the page is swapped-in
> > soon, it's unfortunate. However, the design expects once it's swapped out,
> > it means it's non-workingset so soonish swappined-in would be rather not
> > many, theoritically compared to other workingset.
> > If's it's too frequent, it means system were heavily overcommitted.
> 
> Havid said, I agree it's not a good idea to enable incompressible page
> writeback with idle page writeback. If you don't oppose, I want to add
> new knob to "enable incompressible page writeback" so by default,
> although we enable CONFIG_ZRAM_WRITEBACK, incompressible page writeback
> is off until we enable the knob.
> It would make some regressison if someone have used the feature but
> I guess we are not too late.
> 
> What do you think?

Yes, totally works for me!


"IDLE writeback" is superior to "incompressible writeback".

"incompressible writeback" is completely unpredictable and
uncontrollable; it depens on data patterns and compression algorithms.
While "IDLE writeback" is predictable.

I even suspect, that, *ideally*, we can remove "incompressible
writeback". "IDLE pages" is a super set which also includes
"incompressible" pages. So, technically, we still can do
"incompressible writeback" from "IDLE writeback" path; but a much
more reasonable one, based on a page idling period.

I understand that you want to keep "direct incompressible writeback"
around. ZRAM is especially popular on devices which do suffer from
flash wearout, so I can see "incompressible writeback" path becoming
a dead code, long term.

	-ss

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-22  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-16  7:20 [PATCH 0/6] zram idle page writeback Minchan Kim
2018-11-16  7:20 ` [PATCH 1/6] zram: fix lockdep warning of free block handling Minchan Kim
2018-11-16  7:20 ` [PATCH 2/6] zram: refactoring flags and writeback stuff Minchan Kim
2018-11-16  7:20 ` [PATCH 3/6] zram: introduce ZRAM_IDLE flag Minchan Kim
2018-11-20  2:46   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-22  5:11     ` Minchan Kim
2018-11-22  5:45       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-16  7:20 ` [PATCH 4/6] zram: support idle page writeback Minchan Kim
2018-11-21  4:55   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-21 13:34     ` Minchan Kim
2018-11-22  2:14       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-22  5:04         ` Minchan Kim
2018-11-22  5:40           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-22  6:15             ` Minchan Kim
2018-11-22  6:31               ` Minchan Kim
2018-11-22  6:59                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2018-11-23  6:23                   ` Minchan Kim
2018-11-16  7:20 ` [PATCH 5/6] zram: add bd_stat statistics Minchan Kim
2018-11-16  7:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] zram: writeback throttle Minchan Kim

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