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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: atomic_t.txt: Explain ordering provided by smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic()
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 06:30:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190423133010.GK3923@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190423123209.GR4038@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 02:32:09PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 01:54:40AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > 	And atomic_set(): set_preempt_state().	This fails
> > 	on x86, s390, and TSO friends, does it not?  Or is
> > 	this ARM-only?	Still, why not just smp_mb() before and
> > 	after?	Same issue in __kernfs_new_node(), bio_cnt_set(),
> > 	sbitmap_queue_update_wake_batch(), 
> > 
> > 	Ditto for atomic64_set() in __ceph_dir_set_complete().
> > 
> > 	Ditto for atomic_read() in rvt_qp_is_avail().  This function
> > 	has a couple of other oddly placed smp_mb__before_atomic().
> 
> That are just straight up bugs. The atomic_t.txt file clearly specifies
> the barriers only apply to RmW ops and both _set() and _read() are
> specified to not be a RmW.

Agreed.  The "Ditto" covers my atomic_set() consternation.  ;-)

> > 	And atomic_cmpxchg(): msc_buffer_alloc().  This instance
> > 	of smp_mb__before_atomic() can be removed unless I am missing
> > 	something subtle.  Ditto for kvm_vcpu_exiting_guest_mode(),
> > 	pv_kick_node(), __sbq_wake_up(), 
> 
> Note that pv_kick_node() uses cmpxchg_relaxed(), which does not
> otherwise imply barriers.

Good point, my eyes must have been going funny.

> > 	And lock acquisition??? acm_read_bulk_callback().
> 
> I think it goes with the set_bit() earlier, but what do I know.

Quite possibly!  In that case it should be smp_mb__after_atomic(),
and it would be nice if it immediately followed the set_bit().

> > 	In nfnl_acct_fill_info(), a smp_mb__before_atomic() after
> > 	a atomic64_xchg()???  Also before a clear_bit(), but the
> > 	clear_bit() is inside an "if".
> 
> Since it is _before, I'm thinking the pairing was intended with the
> clear_bit(), and yes, then I would expect the smp_mb__before_atomic() to
> be part of that same branch.

It is quite possible that this one is a leftover, where the atomic
operation was removed but the smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() lived on.
I had one of those in RCU, which now has a patch in -rcu.

> > 	There are a few cases that would see added overhead.  For example,
> > 	svc_get_next_xprt() has the following:
> > 
> > 		smp_mb__before_atomic();
> > 		clear_bit(SP_CONGESTED, &pool->sp_flags);
> > 		clear_bit(RQ_BUSY, &rqstp->rq_flags);
> > 		smp_mb__after_atomic();
> > 
> > 	And xs_sock_reset_connection_flags() has this:
> > 
> > 		smp_mb__before_atomic();
> > 		clear_bit(XPRT_CLOSE_WAIT, &xprt->state);
> > 		clear_bit(XPRT_CLOSING, &xprt->state);
> > 		xs_sock_reset_state_flags(xprt);  /* Also a clear_bit(). */
> > 		smp_mb__after_atomic();
> > 
> > 	Yeah, there are more than a few misuses, aren't there?  :-/
> > 	A coccinelle script seems in order.  In 0day test robot.
> 
> If we can get it to flag the right patterns, then yes that might be
> useful regardless of the issue at hand, people seem to get this one
> wrong a lot.

To be fair, the odd-looking ones are maybe 5% of the total.  Still too
many wrong, but the vast majority look OK.

> > 	But there are a number of helper functions whose purpose
> > 	seems to be to wrap an atomic in smp_mb__before_atomic() and
> > 	smp_mb__after_atomic(), so some of the atomic_xxx_mb() functions
> > 	might be a good idea just for improved readability.
> 
> Are there really sites where _mb() makes sense? The above is just a lot
> of buggy code.

There are a great many that look like this:

	smp_mb__before_atomic();
	clear_bit(NFSD4_CLIENT_UPCALL_LOCK, &clp->cl_flags);
	smp_mb__after_atomic();

Replacing these three lines with this would not be a bad thing:

	clear_bit_mb(NFSD4_CLIENT_UPCALL_LOCK, &clp->cl_flags);

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-23 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-19 17:21 [PATCH] Documentation: atomic_t.txt: Explain ordering provided by smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() Alan Stern
2019-04-19 17:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-19 18:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-19 18:26   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-20  0:26     ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-04-20  8:54       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-23 12:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 13:21           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-23 13:26             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 20:16               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-23 20:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24  8:29                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-24  8:44                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 12:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 13:30           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2019-04-23 13:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 20:19               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-27  8:17             ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-27  8:36               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-29  9:24             ` Johan Hovold
2019-04-29 14:49               ` Paul E. McKenney

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