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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hector Marco-Gisbert <hecmargi@upv.es>,
	Marc Gonzalez <marc.w.gonzalez@free.fr>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] binfmt_elf: Update READ_IMPLIES_EXEC logic for modern CPUs
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 07:42:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190425054242.GA7816@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190424203408.GA11386@beast>


* Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:

> The READ_IMPLIES_EXEC work-around was designed for old CPUs lacking NX
> (to have the visible permission flags on memory regions reflect reality:
> they are all executable), and for old toolchains that lacked the ELF
> PT_GNU_STACK marking (under the assumption that toolchains that couldn't
> even specify memory protection flags may have it wrong for all memory
> regions).
> 
> This logic is sensible, but was implemented in a way that equated having
> a PT_GNU_STACK marked executable as being as "broken" as lacking the
> PT_GNU_STACK marking entirely. This is not a reasonable assumption
> for CPUs that have had NX support from the start (or very close to
> the start). This confusion has led to situations where modern 64-bit
> programs with explicitly marked executable stack are forced into the
> READ_IMPLIES_EXEC state when no such thing is needed. (And leads to
> unexpected failures when mmap()ing regions of device driver memory that
> wish to disallow VM_EXEC[1].)
> 
> To fix this, elf_read_implies_exec() is adjusted on arm64 (where NX has
> always existed and toolchains have implemented PT_GNU_STACK for a while),
> and x86 is adjusted to handle this combination of possible outcomes:
> 
>               CPU: | lacks NX  | has NX, ia32     | has NX, x86_64   |
>  ELF:              |           |                  |                  |
>  ------------------------------|------------------|------------------|
>  missing GNU_STACK | needs RIE | needs RIE        | no RIE           |
>  GNU_STACK == RWX  | needs RIE | no RIE: stack X  | no RIE: stack X  |
>  GNU_STACK == RW   | needs RIE | no RIE: stack NX | no RIE: stack NX |
> 
> This has the effect of making binfmt_elf's EXSTACK_DEFAULT actually take
> on the correct architecture default of being non-executable on arm64 and
> x86_64, and being executable on ia32.

Just to make clear, is the change from the old behavior, in essence:


               CPU: | lacks NX  | has NX, ia32     | has NX, x86_64   |
  ELF:              |           |                  |                  |
  ------------------------------|------------------|------------------|
  missing GNU_STACK | exec-all  | exec-all         | exec-none        |
- GNU_STACK == RWX  | exec-all  | exec-all         | exec-all         |
+ GNU_STACK == RWX  | exec-all  | exec-stack       | exec-stack       |
  GNU_STACK == RW   | exec-all  | exec-none        | exec-none        |

correct?

Also note that in addition to marking the changes clearly, I also edited 
the table to be less confusing and more assertive:

   'exec-all'  : all user mappings are executable
   'exec-none' : only PROT_EXEC user mappings are executable
   'exec-stack': only the stack and PROT_EXEC user mappings are executable

Is this correct? (Please double check the edited table.)

In particular, what is the policy for write-only and exec-only mappings, 
what does read-implies-exec do for them?

Also, it would be nice to define it precisely what 'stack' means in this 
context: it's only the ELF loader defined process stack - other stacks 
such as any thread stacks, signal stacks or alt-stacks depend on the C 
library - or does the kernel policy extend there too?

I.e. it would be nice to clarify all this, because it's still rather 
confusing and ambiguous right now.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-25  5:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-24 20:34 [PATCH v2] binfmt_elf: Update READ_IMPLIES_EXEC logic for modern CPUs Kees Cook
2019-04-24 20:51 ` Will Deacon
2019-04-24 20:54   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-24 23:22     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-25  5:42 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2019-04-25 16:51   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-25 20:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-26 15:02       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-03 19:36     ` Hector Marco-Gisbert

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