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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
Cc: "Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@surriel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Nicolai Stange" <nstange@suse.de>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	"Jiri Kosina" <jikos@jikos.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/fpu: Remove the _GPL from the kernel_fpu_begin/end() export
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 02:47:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190504004747.GA107909@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.1905032044250.10635@cbobk.fhfr.pm>


* Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2 May 2019, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> 
> > Please don't start this. We have everything _GPL that is used for FPU
> > related code and only a few functions are exported because KVM needs it.
> 
> That's not completely true. There are a lot of static inlines out there, 
> which basically made it possible for external modules to use FPU (in some 
> way) when they had kernel_fpu_[begin|end]() available.
> 
> I personally don't care about ZFS a tiny little bit; but in general, the 
> current situation with _GPL and non-_GPL exports is simply not nice. It's 
> not really about licensing (despite the name), it's about 'internal vs 
> external', which noone is probably able to define properly.

But that's exactly what licensing *IS* about: the argument is that 
'internal' interfaces are clear proof that the binary module is actually 
a derived work of the kernel.

(Using regular exported symbols might still make a binary module derived 
work, but it's less clear-cut.)

So don't be complicit with binary module authors who try to circumvent 
the GPL by offloading the actual license violation to the end user ...

> If it would be strictly about license compatibility, that'd at least 
> make us somewhat deterministic.

License compatibility is rarely deterministic to begin with, there's a 
lot of grey area. Adding _GPL increases the likelihood that the module 
using it has to be covered by the GPL too. In fact behavior of binary 
modules seems to confirm that legal expectation: very few binary modules 
are trying to circumvent _GPL symbols by ignoring the _GPL attribute.

Anyway, in terms of _GPL exports the policy has always been that if a 
major author of the code asks for a symbol to be _GPL, then it should be 
so, even if other authors have a different judgement.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-04  0:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-02 14:42 [PATCH] x86/fpu: Remove the _GPL from the kernel_fpu_begin/end() export Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-02 15:40 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-05-02 16:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-02 16:55     ` Borislav Petkov
2019-05-03 17:21       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-05-03 18:07         ` Borislav Petkov
2019-05-03 18:54           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-03 19:07             ` Borislav Petkov
2019-05-03 18:49   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-04  0:47     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2019-05-04  2:28       ` Sebastian Gottschall
2019-05-04  6:40         ` Greg KH
2019-05-05 16:05         ` Rik van Riel
2019-05-05 19:09           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-04  7:26     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-07 10:31       ` David Laight
2019-05-08 12:28         ` Sebastian Gottschall
2019-05-08 12:51           ` Greg KH

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