From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: huangpei@loongson.cn
Cc: Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
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Huacai Chen <chenhc@lemote.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/5] mips/atomic: Fix loongson_llsc_mb() wreckage
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 17:46:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190514154636.GF2677@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <592bc84.c106.16a57936acf.Coremail.huangpei@loongson.cn>
(sorry for the delay, I got sidetracked elsewhere)
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:57:20AM +0800, huangpei@loongson.cn wrote:
> > -----原始邮件-----
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 08:51:17PM +0800, huangpei@loongson.cn wrote:
> >
> > > > So basically the initial value of @v is set to 1.
> > > >
> > > > Then CPU-1 does atomic_add_unless(v, 1, 0)
> > > > CPU-2 does atomic_set(v, 0)
> > > >
> > > > If CPU1 goes first, it will see 1, which is not 0 and thus add 1 to 1
> > > > and obtains 2. Then CPU2 goes and writes 0, so the exist clause sees
> > > > v==0 and doesn't observe 2.
> > > >
> > > > The other way around, CPU-2 goes first, writes a 0, then CPU-1 goes and
> > > > observes the 0, finds it matches 0 and doesn't add. Again, the exist
> > > > clause will find 0 doesn't match 2.
> > > >
> > > > This all goes unstuck if interleaved like:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > CPU-1 CPU-2
> > > >
> > > > xor t0, t0
> > > > 1: ll t0, v
> > > > bez t0, 2f
> > > > sw t0, v
> > > > add t0, t1
> > > > sc t0, v
> > > > beqz t0, 1b
> > > >
> > > > (sorry if I got the MIPS asm wrong; it's not something I normally write)
> > > >
> > > > And the store-word from CPU-2 doesn't make the SC from CPU-1 fail.
> > > >
> > >
> > > loongson's llsc bug DOES NOT fail this litmus( we will not get V=2);
> > >
> > > only speculative memory access from CPU-1 can "blind" CPU-1(here blind means do ll/sc
> > > wrong), this speculative memory access can be observed corrently by CPU2. In this
> > > case, sw from CPU-2 can get I , which can be observed by CPU-1, and clear llbit,then
> > > failed sc.
> >
> > I'm not following, suppose CPU-1 happens as a speculation (imagine
> > whatever code is required to make that happen before). CPU-2 sw will
> > cause I on CPU-1's ll but, as in the previous email, CPU-1 will continue
> > as if it still has E and complete the SC.
> >
> > That is; I'm just not seeing why this case would be different from two
> > competing LL/SCs.
> >
>
> I get your point. I kept my eye on the sw from CPU-2, but forgot the speculative
> mem access from CPU-1.
>
> There is no difference bewteen this one and the former case.
>
> =========================================================================
> V = 1
>
> CPU-1 CPU-2
>
> xor t0, t0
> 1: ll t0, V
> beqz t0, 2f
>
> /* if speculative mem
> access kick cacheline of
> V out, it can blind CPU-1
> and make CPU-1 believe it
> still hold E on V, and can
> NOT see the sw from CPU-2
> actually invalid V, which
> should clear LLBit of CPU-1,
> but not */
> sw t0, V // just after sw, V = 0
> addiu t0, t0, 1
>
> sc t0, V
> /* oops, sc write t0(2)
> into V with LLBit */
>
> /* get V=2 */
> beqz t0, 1b
> nop
> 2:
> ================================================================================
>
> if speculative mem access *does not* kick out cache line of V, CPU-1 can see sw
> from CPU-2, and clear LLBit, which cause sc fail and retry, That's OK
OK; so do I understand it correctly that your CPU _can_ in fact fail
that test and result in 2? If so I think I'm (finally) understanding :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-14 15:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-24 12:36 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] atomic: Fixes to smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() and mips Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 12:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] mips/atomic: Fix cmpxchg64 barriers Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 21:00 ` Paul Burton
2019-04-25 6:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 12:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] mips/atomic: Fix loongson_llsc_mb() wreckage Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 12:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 21:18 ` Paul Burton
2019-04-25 4:58 ` huangpei
2019-04-25 7:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-25 9:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-25 12:14 ` huangpei
2019-04-25 9:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14 15:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14 16:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-14 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-15 13:50 ` huangpei
2019-04-25 11:32 ` huangpei
2019-04-25 12:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-25 12:51 ` huangpei
2019-04-25 13:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-26 2:57 ` huangpei
2019-05-14 15:46 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-04-25 16:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-25 7:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 12:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] mips/atomic: Optimize loongson3_llsc_mb() Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 12:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] mips/atomic: Fix smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 21:24 ` Paul Burton
2019-04-25 7:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 12:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] x86/atomic: " Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-24 13:41 ` Will Deacon
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