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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Raphael Gault <raphael.gault@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will.deacon@arm.com, acme@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] arm64: pmu: Add hook to handle pmu-related undefined instructions
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 11:07:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190517090712.GR2650@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190517082655.GK2623@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:26:55AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 09:04:20AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> 
> > Remember that this is in an undefined (trap) handler.
> > 
> > If userspace _attempts_ to write to the registers, the CPU will trap to the
> > kernel. The comment is perhaps misleading; when we "do nothing", the common
> > trap handling code will send a SIGILL to userspace.
> > 
> > It would probably be better to say something like:
> > 
> > 	/*
> > 	 * If userspace is tries to read a counter that doesn't exist on this
> > 	 * CPU, we emulate it as reading as zero. This happens if userspace is
> > 	 * preempted between reading the idx and actually reading the counter,
> > 	 * and the seqlock and idx have already changed, so it's as-if the
> > 	 * counter has been reprogrammed with a different event.
> 
> Might be good to mention that userspace will/should discard the value it
> reads, and therefore any value is good (including 0).
> 
> > 	 * We don't permit userspace to write to these registers, and will
> > 	 * inject a SIGILL.
> > 	 */
> > 
> > There is one caveat: userspace can write to PMSELR without trapping, so we will
> > have to context-switch with the task. That only affects indirect addressing of
> > PMU registers, and doesn't have a functional effect on the behaviour of the
> > PMU, so that's benign from the PoV of perf.
> 
> Sad though; ideally you'd state that indirect addressing is
> out-of-bounds and they get to keep the pieces. But I suspect you're
> right that people will do it anyway and complain once it comes apart.

I'm still not entirely convinced you need that context switching. If we
sched-out, the seqcount value will change, idem when we sched-in. So
under no circumstance (even if we stay on the same CPU), will the
seqcount match when we get back on.

So why preserve that register?

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-17  9:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-16 13:21 [RFC 0/6] arm64: Enable access to pmu registers by user-space Raphael Gault
2019-05-16 13:21 ` [PATCH 1/6] perf: arm64: Compile tests unconditionally Raphael Gault
2019-05-16 13:21 ` [PATCH 2/6] perf: arm64: Add test to check userspace access to hardware counters Raphael Gault
2019-05-16 13:21 ` [PATCH 3/6] arm64: pmu: Add function implementation to update event index in userpage Raphael Gault
2019-05-17 13:21   ` Mark Rutland
2019-05-16 13:21 ` [PATCH 4/6] arm64: pmu: Add hook to handle pmu-related undefined instructions Raphael Gault
2019-05-17  7:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-17  7:35     ` Raphael Gault
2019-05-17  8:04     ` Mark Rutland
2019-05-17  8:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-17  9:07         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-05-16 13:21 ` [PATCH 5/6] arm64: perf: Enable pmu counter direct access for perf event on armv8 Raphael Gault
2019-05-16 13:21 ` [PATCH 6/6] Documentation: arm64: Document PMU counters access from userspace Raphael Gault

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