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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Yuyang Du <duyuyang@gmail.com>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	huang ying <huang.ying.caritas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 07/19] locking/rwsem: Implement lock handoff to prevent lock starvation
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 17:12:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190604091220.GA29633@tardis> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHttsrZCGMqBi4ifj7A1rO3G3nOz-0pbD8TXRtUQ1rGQRAGiUw@mail.gmail.com>

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On Tue, Jun 04, 2019 at 11:26:30AM +0800, Yuyang Du wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Yuyang Du <duyuyang@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Waiman,
> >
> > On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 05:01, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Because of writer lock stealing, it is possible that a constant
> > > stream of incoming writers will cause a waiting writer or reader to
> > > wait indefinitely leading to lock starvation.
> > >
> > > This patch implements a lock handoff mechanism to disable lock stealing
> > > and force lock handoff to the first waiter or waiters (for readers)
> > > in the queue after at least a 4ms waiting period unless it is a RT
> > > writer task which doesn't need to wait. The waiting period is used to
> > > avoid discouraging lock stealing too much to affect performance.
> >
> > I was working on a patchset to solve read-write lock deadlock
> > detection problem (https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/16/93).
> >
> > One of the mistakes in that work is that I considered the following
> > case as deadlock:
> 
> Sorry everyone, but let me rephrase:
> 
> One of the mistakes in that work is that I considered the following
> case as no deadlock:
> 
> >
> >   T1            T2
> >   --            --
> >
> >   down_read1    down_write2
> >
> >   down_write2   down_read1
> >

Not sure I understand the whole context here, but isn't adding a third
independent task makes this a deadlock?

	 T1            T2		T3
	 --            --		--

	 down_read1    down_write2
	 				down_write1
	 down_write2   down_read1

from the perspective of lockdep, we cannot be sure whether there will
a T3 or not.

In case that I mis-understood you, maybe your point is about in the
above case whether "down_read1" on T2 can *gauranteedly* steal (in the
sense of breaking the fairness) the read lock after Waiman modification?
If so, I will wait for Waiman's response ;-)

Regards,
Boqun

> > So I was trying to understand what really went wrong and find the
> > problem is that if I understand correctly the current rwsem design
> > isn't showing real fairness but priority in favor of write locks, and
> > thus one of the bad effects is that read locks can be starved if write
> > locks keep coming.
> >
> > Luckily, I noticed you are revamping rwsem and seem to have thought
> > about it already. I am not crystal sure what is your work's
> > ramification on the above case, so hope that you can shed some light
> > and perhaps share your thoughts on this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Yuyang

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-04  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-20 20:58 [PATCH v8 00/19] locking/rwsem: Rwsem rearchitecture part 2 Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 01/19] locking/rwsem: Make owner available even if !CONFIG_RWSEM_SPIN_ON_OWNER Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:23   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 02/19] locking/rwsem: Remove rwsem_wake() wakeup optimization Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:24   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 03/19] locking/rwsem: Implement a new locking scheme Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:24   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 04/19] locking/rwsem: Merge rwsem.h and rwsem-xadd.c into rwsem.c Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:25   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 05/19] locking/rwsem: Code cleanup after files merging Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:26   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 06/19] locking/rwsem: Make rwsem_spin_on_owner() return owner state Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:27   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 07/19] locking/rwsem: Implement lock handoff to prevent lock starvation Waiman Long
2019-06-04  3:03   ` Yuyang Du
2019-06-04  3:26     ` Yuyang Du
2019-06-04  9:12       ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2019-06-04 16:00         ` Waiman Long
2019-06-05  7:48           ` Yuyang Du
2019-06-04 13:21       ` Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:27   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 08/19] locking/rwsem: Always release wait_lock before waking up tasks Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:28   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 09/19] locking/rwsem: More optimal RT task handling of null owner Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:29   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 10/19] locking/rwsem: Wake up almost all readers in wait queue Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:29   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 11/19] locking/rwsem: Clarify usage of owner's nonspinaable bit Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:30   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 12/19] locking/rwsem: Enable readers spinning on writer Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:31   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 13/19] locking/rwsem: Make rwsem->owner an atomic_long_t Waiman Long
2019-06-04  8:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 15:44     ` Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:32   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-07-19 18:45   ` [PATCH v8 13/19] " Luis Henriques
2019-07-19 19:32     ` Waiman Long
2019-07-19 19:45       ` Luis Henriques
2019-07-19 20:14         ` Waiman Long
2019-07-19 19:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-07-20  8:41         ` Luis Henriques
2019-07-20  9:32           ` Luis Henriques
2019-07-20  9:45             ` Luis Henriques
2019-07-20 11:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-07-20 15:04           ` Waiman Long
2019-07-21 20:49             ` Luis Henriques
2019-07-23  2:57               ` Waiman Long
2019-07-25 15:59             ` [tip:locking/core] locking/rwsem: Don't call owner_on_cpu() on read-owner tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 14/19] locking/rwsem: Enable time-based spinning on reader-owned rwsem Waiman Long
2019-06-04  9:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 16:54     ` Waiman Long
2019-06-17 14:32   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 15/19] locking/rwsem: Adaptive disabling of reader optimistic spinning Waiman Long
2019-06-04  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 17:28     ` Waiman Long
2019-06-04  9:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 17:29     ` Waiman Long
2019-06-04  9:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 17:30     ` Waiman Long
2019-06-04 17:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 18:04         ` Waiman Long
2019-06-04 18:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 18:21             ` Waiman Long
2019-06-05 18:13               ` Waiman Long
2019-06-05 20:19                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-05 20:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-06  8:03                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-06  8:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-17 14:33   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 16/19] locking/rwsem: Guard against making count negative Waiman Long
2019-06-11 13:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-11 13:27     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-11 13:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-17 14:34   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 17/19] locking/rwsem: Merge owner into count on x86-64 Waiman Long
2019-06-04  9:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 15:47     ` Waiman Long
2019-06-04 17:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-04 17:06         ` Waiman Long
2019-06-04 17:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 18/19] locking/rwsem: Remove redundant computation of writer lock word Waiman Long
2019-05-20 20:59 ` [PATCH v8 19/19] locking/rwsem: Disable preemption in down_read*() if owner in count Waiman Long

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