From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D2DC3A589 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90D922DD3 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1730575AbfHTSqC (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:46:02 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:52193 "EHLO relay3-d.mail.gandi.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1730006AbfHTSqC (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:46:02 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 90.65.161.137 Received: from localhost (lfbn-1-1545-137.w90-65.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.65.161.137]) (Authenticated sender: alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1347560003; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 20:45:57 +0200 From: Alexandre Belloni To: Thomas Gleixner Cc: Karel Zak , Lennart Poettering , Arnd Bergmann , "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Linus Torvalds , Linux Kernel Mailing List , John Stultz , Stephen Boyd , Florian Weimer , "H. Peter Anvin" , Palmer Dabbelt , Alistair Francis , GNU C Library , OGAWA Hirofumi Subject: Re: New kernel interface for sys_tz and timewarp? Message-ID: <20190820184557.GO3545@piout.net> References: <20190814000622.GB20365@mit.edu> <20190814090936.GB10516@gardel-login> <20190814093208.GG3600@piout.net> <20190819110903.if3dzhvfnlqutn6s@ws.net.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 19/08/2019 15:49:24+0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, Karel Zak wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:32:08AM +0200, Alexandre Belloni wrote: > > > > On 14/08/2019 11:09:36+0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > On Mi, 14.08.19 10:31, Arnd Bergmann (arnd@arndb.de) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > - glibc stops passing the caller timezone argument to the kernel > > > > > > - the distro kernel disables CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS, > > > > > > CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC and CONFIG_GENERIC_CMOS_UPDATE > > > > > > > > > > What's the benefit of letting userspace do this? It sounds a lot more > > > > > fragile to leave this syncing to userspace if the kernel can do this > > > > > trivially on its own. > > > > > > Good point, why CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC has been added to the kernel? > > > > 023f333a99ce ("NTP: Add a CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC configuration") > > Just for the record. Not a single defconfig enables, but it's selected by > SPARC for whatever reason. > I think the issue is that most of the common distributions enable it. -- Alexandre Belloni, Bootlin Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering https://bootlin.com