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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	syzbot <syzbot+8ab2d0f39fb79fe6ca40@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory.
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 12:48:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190825104858.GA119494@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfc26ac5-b674-5d42-05f8-c978613aaf29@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>


* Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp> wrote:

> >  - We should probably separate out a third 'fatal error' variant: for 
> >    example if copying to user-space generates a page fault, then we 
> >    clearly should not pretend that all is fine and return a short read 
> >    even if we made some progress, a -EFAULT is more informative, as we 
> >    might have corrupted (overran) some user buffer on the failed copy as 
> >    well, and ran off the end into the first unmapped user area.
> 
> Is it possible that copy_from_user() corrupts user buffer in a way that userspace
> cannot retry when kernel responded with "there was a short write"? It seems that
> these functions are difficult to return appropriate errors...

In the cleanest implementation I believe should be done is to 
differentiate between 'kernel side errors' and 'user side errors':

 - 'kernel side errors' are conditions that relate to the layout of 
   kernel memory: some areas might not be readable, and there might be 
   cachability restrictions - or the kernel ran out of memory. In this 
   case it's not user-space's "fault" that they ran into an error and 
   returning a partial read might improve the whole read process, as 
   user-space can decide to continue reading at the last offset that was 
   read - and would also be able to extract all information that can be 
   extracted.

 - 'user side errors' on the other hand are conditions that are probably 
   a user-space bug: such as trying to read() too much data into a too 
   small buffer, running off the end of it and potentially generating a 
   -EFAULT. In this case the kernel should not return a short read, but 
   escalate the error immediately - bugs are easier to find the earlier 
   the condition is reported.

So this is why I think it would make sense to have two error labels: 
"failure" and "fatal_failure". The "failure" case would return a partial 
read if possible (and an error if not), the "fatal_failure" would return 
an error immediately.

This is probably a tad over-engineered, but since you asked ... ;-)

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-25 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-20 22:06 [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-20 22:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-21  0:07   ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22  9:59   ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 13:35     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-22 14:00       ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 16:42         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-22 17:11           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-08-22 21:17             ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 23:59               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-08-23  8:17                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-23 16:47                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-08  9:57                   ` Kernel config for fuzz testing Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 21:29 ` [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory Linus Torvalds
2019-08-22 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-23  9:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-23 16:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-24 16:14       ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-24 17:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-24 20:22           ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-24 20:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30  9:56               ` David Laight
2019-08-25  5:49             ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-25  9:59               ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-25 10:35                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-25 10:48                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2019-08-25 16:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-26 10:40                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-26 11:19                   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-26 15:02                     ` Rewriting read_kmem()/write_kmem() ? Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-23 11:46   ` [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory Tetsuo Handa

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