From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
syzbot <syzbot+8ab2d0f39fb79fe6ca40@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory.
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 12:48:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190825104858.GA119494@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfc26ac5-b674-5d42-05f8-c978613aaf29@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
* Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp> wrote:
> > - We should probably separate out a third 'fatal error' variant: for
> > example if copying to user-space generates a page fault, then we
> > clearly should not pretend that all is fine and return a short read
> > even if we made some progress, a -EFAULT is more informative, as we
> > might have corrupted (overran) some user buffer on the failed copy as
> > well, and ran off the end into the first unmapped user area.
>
> Is it possible that copy_from_user() corrupts user buffer in a way that userspace
> cannot retry when kernel responded with "there was a short write"? It seems that
> these functions are difficult to return appropriate errors...
In the cleanest implementation I believe should be done is to
differentiate between 'kernel side errors' and 'user side errors':
- 'kernel side errors' are conditions that relate to the layout of
kernel memory: some areas might not be readable, and there might be
cachability restrictions - or the kernel ran out of memory. In this
case it's not user-space's "fault" that they ran into an error and
returning a partial read might improve the whole read process, as
user-space can decide to continue reading at the last offset that was
read - and would also be able to extract all information that can be
extracted.
- 'user side errors' on the other hand are conditions that are probably
a user-space bug: such as trying to read() too much data into a too
small buffer, running off the end of it and potentially generating a
-EFAULT. In this case the kernel should not return a short read, but
escalate the error immediately - bugs are easier to find the earlier
the condition is reported.
So this is why I think it would make sense to have two error labels:
"failure" and "fatal_failure". The "failure" case would return a partial
read if possible (and an error if not), the "fatal_failure" would return
an error immediately.
This is probably a tad over-engineered, but since you asked ... ;-)
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-25 10:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-20 22:06 [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-20 22:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-21 0:07 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 9:59 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 13:35 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-22 14:00 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 16:42 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-22 17:11 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-08-22 21:17 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 23:59 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-08-23 8:17 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-23 16:47 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-08 9:57 ` Kernel config for fuzz testing Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-22 21:29 ` [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory Linus Torvalds
2019-08-22 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-23 9:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-23 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-24 16:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-24 17:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-24 20:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-24 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 9:56 ` David Laight
2019-08-25 5:49 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-25 9:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-25 10:35 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-25 10:48 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2019-08-25 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-26 10:40 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-26 11:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-26 15:02 ` Rewriting read_kmem()/write_kmem() ? Tetsuo Handa
2019-08-23 11:46 ` [PATCH] /dev/mem: Bail out upon SIGKILL when reading memory Tetsuo Handa
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