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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
To: "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
Cc: Paul Cercueil <paul@crapouillou.net>,
	od@zcrc.me, linux-pwm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] pwm: jz4740: Make PWM start with the active part
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 00:52:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190920225254.GA86019@mithrandir> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190812215853.hbhihhtvdziarj3y@pengutronix.de>

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:58:53PM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:50:01PM +0200, Paul Cercueil wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 7:55, Uwe =?iso-8859-1?q?Kleine-K=F6nig?=
> > <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> a écrit :
> > > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 07:33:24PM +0200, Paul Cercueil wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  Le ven. 9 août 2019 à 19:10, Uwe =?iso-8859-1?q?Kleine-K=F6nig?=
> > > >  <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> a écrit :
> > > >  > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 02:30:30PM +0200, Paul Cercueil wrote:
> > > >  > >  The PWM will always start with the inactive part. To counter
> > > > that,
> > > >  > >  when PWM is enabled we switch the configured polarity, and use
> > > >  > >  'period - duty + 1' as the real duty.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Where does the + 1 come from? This looks wrong. (So if duty=0 is
> > > >  > requested you use duty = period + 1?)
> > > > 
> > > >  You'd never request duty == 0, would you?
> > > > 
> > > >  Your duty must always be in the inclusive range [1, period]
> > > >  (hardware values, not ns). A duty of 0 is a hardware fault
> > > >  (on the jz4740 it is).
> > > 
> > > From the PWM framework's POV duty cycle = 0 is perfectly valid. Similar
> > > to duty == period. Not supporting dutz cycle 0 is another limitation of
> > > your PWM that should be documented.
> > > 
> > > For actual use cases of duty cycle = 0 see drivers/hwmon/pwm-fan.c or
> > > drivers/leds/leds-pwm.c.
> > 
> > Perfectly valid for the PWM framework, maybe; but what is the expected
> > output then? A constant inactive state?
> 
> Yes, a constant inactive state is expected. This is consistent and in a
> similar way when using duty == period an constant active output is
> expected.
> 
> > Then I guess I can just disable the PWM output in the driver when
> > configured with duty == 0.
> 
> Some time ago I argued with Thierry that we could drop the concept of
> enabled/disabled for a PWM because a disabled PWM is supposed to behave
> identically to duty=0. This is however only nearly true because with
> duty=0 the time the PWM is inactive still is a multiple of the period.
> 
> I tend to agree that disabling the PWM when duty=0 is requested is
> better than to fail the request (or configure for duty=1 $whateverunit).
> I'm looking forward to what Thierry's opinion is here.

Agreed. If in order to meet the expectations of duty == 0 you have to
disable the PWM, then that's what you should do.

Thierry

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-20 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-09 12:30 [PATCH 0/7] pwm: jz4740: Driver update Paul Cercueil
2019-08-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 1/7] pwm: jz4740: Obtain regmap from parent node Paul Cercueil
2019-08-09 16:51   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 17:04     ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-12  6:18       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] pwm: jz4740: Use clocks from TCU driver Paul Cercueil
2019-08-09 16:55   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] pwm: jz4740: Drop dependency on MACH_INGENIC Paul Cercueil
2019-08-09 16:41   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 21:40     ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-12  6:09       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] pwm: jz4740: Improve algorithm of clock calculation Paul Cercueil
2019-08-09 17:05   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 17:14     ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-12  6:15       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-12 20:43         ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-12 21:48           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-12 22:25             ` Paul Cercueil
     [not found]             ` <1565648183.2007.3@crapouillou.net>
2019-08-13  5:27               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-13 11:01                 ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-13 12:33                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-13 12:47                     ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-13 14:09                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-14 16:10                         ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-14 17:32                           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-10-21 12:47                             ` Paul Cercueil
2020-02-12  7:29                               ` About rounding in the clk framework [Was: Re: [PATCH 4/7] pwm: jz4740: Improve algorithm of clock calculation] Uwe Kleine-König
2020-04-14  9:24                                 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2020-12-21 13:57                                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 5/7] pwm: jz4740: Allow selection of PWM channels 0 and 1 Paul Cercueil
2019-08-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 6/7] pwm: jz4740: Make PWM start with the active part Paul Cercueil
2019-08-09 17:10   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-09 17:33     ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-12  5:55       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-08-12 20:50         ` Paul Cercueil
2019-08-12 21:58           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-09-20 22:52             ` Thierry Reding [this message]
2019-08-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 7/7] pwm: jz4740: document known limitations Paul Cercueil

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