From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Janne Karhunen <janne.karhunen@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
David Safford <david.safford@ge.com>,
Pascal Van Leeuwen <pvanleeuwen@verimatrix.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@gmx.de>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tpm: Salt tpm_get_random() result with get_random_bytes()
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:23:28 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191016162312.GA6279@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAE=Ncrb_7wQsv0_EvZWe5-WA2UU_GywgfnVo7hC-FDTY6bzpFQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 02:16:20PM +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 1:41 PM Jarkko Sakkinen
> <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> > > > get_random_bytes(). TPM could have a bug (making results predicatable),
> > > > backdoor or even an inteposer in the bus. Salting gives protections
> > > > against these concerns.
> > >
> > > The current issue in the randomness from my point of view is that
> > > encrypted filesystems, ima etc in common deployments require high
> > > quality entropy just few seconds after the system has powered on for
> > > the first time. It is likely that people want to keep their keys
> > > device specific, so the keys need to be generated on the first boot
> > > before any of the filesystems mount.
> >
> > This patch does not have the described issue.
>
> My understanding was that you wanted to make the tpm_get_random() an
> alternative to get_random_bytes(), and one reason why one might want
> to do this is to work around the issues in get_random_bytes() in early
> init as it may not be properly seeded. But sure, if you this wasn't
> among the problems being solved then forget it.
I'm trying to get a framework on how rng's should be used in the
kernel. There doesn't seem to be one.
/Jarkko
prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-16 16:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-15 12:47 [PATCH] tpm: Salt tpm_get_random() result with get_random_bytes() Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-15 17:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-16 10:38 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 10:43 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 16:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-17 16:21 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 7:02 ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-16 10:41 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 11:16 ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-16 16:23 ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
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