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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Anders Roxell <anders.roxell@linaro.org>,
	"Naveen N . Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.ibm.com>,
	Anil S Keshavamurthy <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -tip] kprobes: Lock rcu_read_lock() while searching kprobe
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 19:08:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191208000842.GA62607@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191206031151.GY2889@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 07:11:51PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 08:11:37PM -0500, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:12:39AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 11:05:50AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > * Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > >  * This list-traversal primitive may safely run concurrently with
> > > > > >  * the _rcu list-mutation primitives such as hlist_add_head_rcu()
> > > > > >  * as long as the traversal is guarded by rcu_read_lock().
> > > > > >  */
> > > > > > #define hlist_for_each_entry_rcu(pos, head, member, cond...)            \
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > is actively harmful. Why is it there?
> > > > > 
> > > > > For cases where common code might be invoked both from the reader
> > > > > (with RCU protection) and from the updater (protected by some
> > > > > lock).  This common code can then use the optional argument to
> > > > > hlist_for_each_entry_rcu() to truthfully tell lockdep that it might be
> > > > > called with either form of protection in place.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This also combines with the __rcu tag used to mark RCU-protected
> > > > > pointers, in which case sparse complains when a non-RCU API is applied
> > > > > to these pointers, to get back to your earlier question about use of
> > > > > hlist_for_each_entry_rcu() within the update-side lock.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But what are you seeing as actively harmful about all of this?
> > > > > What should we be doing instead?
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, so basically in the write-locked path hlist_for_each_entry() 
> > > > generates (slightly) more efficient code than hlist_for_each_entry_rcu(), 
> > > > correct?
> > > 
> > > Potentially yes, if the READ_ONCE() constrains the compiler.  Or not,
> > > depending of course on the compiler and the surrounding code.
> > > 
> > > > Also, the principle of passing warning flags around is problematic - but 
> > > > I can see the point in this specific case.
> > > 
> > > Would it help to add an hlist_for_each_entry_protected() that expected
> > > RCU-protected pointers and write-side protection, analogous to
> > > rcu_dereference_protected()?  Or would that expansion of the RCU API
> > > outweigh any benefits?
> > 
> > Personally, I like keeping the same API and using the optional argument like
> > we did thus preventing too many APIs / new APIs.
> 
> Would you be willing to put together a prototype patch so that people
> can see exactly how it would look?

Hi Paul,

I was referring to the same API we have at the moment (that is
hlist_for_each_entry_rcu() with the additional cond parameter). I was saying
let us keep that and not add a hlist_for_each_entry_protected() instead, so
as to not proliferate the number of APIs.

Or did I miss the point?

thanks,

 - Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-08  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-02  7:32 [PATCH -tip] kprobes: Lock rcu_read_lock() while searching kprobe Masami Hiramatsu
2019-12-02 15:17 ` Anders Roxell
2019-12-02 21:08 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-12-02 22:34   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-12-02 23:35     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-12-03  6:02       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-12-03  7:13   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-12-03 17:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-12-04 10:05       ` Ingo Molnar
2019-12-04 16:12         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-12-05  4:19           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-12-06  1:11           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-12-06  3:11             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-12-08  0:08               ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2019-12-09  3:39                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-12-17 14:59                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-12-17 18:07                     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-12-04  4:09     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-12-04  4:20       ` Joel Fernandes

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