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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Julian Stecklina <julian.stecklina@cyberus-technology.de>
Cc: intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	zhiyuan.lv@intel.com, hang.yuan@intel.com,
	Zhenyu Wang <zhenyuw@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Prescher <thomas.prescher@cyberus-technology.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] drm/i915/gvt: move public gvt headers out into global include
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:48:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200116194830.GA1072059@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <edb721906354e26c26883edf5bce09690ca07d6d.camel@cyberus-technology.de>

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:05:22PM +0100, Julian Stecklina wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> 
> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:23 +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:13:01PM +0100, Julian Stecklina wrote:
> > > Hi Greg, Christoph,
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2020-01-15 at 16:22 +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 07:13:57PM +0200, Julian Stecklina wrote:
> > > > > Now that the GVT interface to hypervisors does not depend on i915/GVT
> > > > > internals anymore, we can move the headers to the global include/.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This makes out-of-tree modules for hypervisor integration possible.
> > > > 
> > > > What kind of out-of-tree modules do you need/want for this?
> > > 
> > > The mediated virtualization support in the i915 driver needs a backend to
> > > the
> > > hypervisor. There is currently one backend for KVM in the tree
> > > (drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gvt/kvmgt.c) and at least 3 other hypervisor backends
> > > out
> > > of tree in various states of development that I know of. We are currently
> > > developing one of these.
> > 
> > Great, then just submit this patch series as part of your patch series
> > when submitting yoru hypervisor code.  That's the normal way to export
> > new symbols, we can't do so without an in-kernel user.
> 
> Fair enough.
> 
> As I already said, the KVMGT code is the in-kernel user. But I guess I can
> extend the already existing function pointer way of decoupling KVMGT from i915
> and be on my way without exporting any symbols.
> 
> Somewhat independent of the current discussion, I also think that it's valuable
> to have a defined API (I'm not saying stable API) for the hypervisor backends to
> define what's okay and not okay for them to do.

The only way to get a "good" api is for at least 3 users of them get
into the kernel tree.  If all you have is one or two, then you go with
what you got, and evolve over time as more get added and find better
ways to use them.

In short, it's just basic evolution, not intelligent design :)

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-16 19:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4079ce7c26a2d2a3c7e0828ed1ea6008d6e2c805.camel@cyberus-technology.de>
2020-01-09 17:13 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Support for out-of-tree hypervisor modules in i915/gvt Julian Stecklina
2020-01-09 17:13   ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] drm/i915/gvt: make gvt oblivious of kvmgt data structures Julian Stecklina
2020-01-20  6:22     ` Zhenyu Wang
2020-01-20  6:33       ` Zhenyu Wang
2020-01-20 17:25         ` [PATCH] " Julian Stecklina
2020-01-09 17:13   ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] drm/i915/gvt: remove unused vblank_done completion Julian Stecklina
2020-01-20  6:23     ` Zhenyu Wang
2020-01-09 17:13   ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] drm/i915/gvt: define a public interface to gvt Julian Stecklina
2020-01-09 17:13   ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] drm/i915/gvt: move public gvt headers out into global include Julian Stecklina
2020-01-15 15:22     ` Greg KH
2020-01-16 14:13       ` Julian Stecklina
2020-01-16 14:23         ` Greg KH
2020-01-16 15:05           ` Julian Stecklina
2020-01-16 19:48             ` Greg KH [this message]
2020-01-17  2:15         ` Zhenyu Wang
2020-01-14  9:18   ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Support for out-of-tree hypervisor modules in i915/gvt Christoph Hellwig

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