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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com>
Cc: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	jpoimboe@redhat.com, namit@vmware.com, mhiramat@kernel.org,
	bp@alien8.de, vkuznets@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, mihai.carabas@oracle.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/26] Runtime paravirt patching
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:49:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200408144907.GL20730@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bcf8206d-5a41-4e6b-1832-75ba1d6367e4@suse.com>

On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 03:33:52PM +0200, Jürgen Groß wrote:
> On 08.04.20 14:08, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 10:02:57PM -0700, Ankur Arora wrote:
> > > Mechanism: the patching itself is done using stop_machine(). That is
> > > not ideal -- text_poke_stop_machine() was replaced with INT3+emulation
> > > via text_poke_bp(), but I'm using this to address two issues:
> > >   1) emulation in text_poke() can only easily handle a small set
> > >   of instructions and this is problematic for inlined pv-ops (and see
> > >   a possible alternatives use-case below.)
> > >   2) paravirt patching might have inter-dependendent ops (ex.
> > >   lock.queued_lock_slowpath, lock.queued_lock_unlock are paired and
> > >   need to be updated atomically.)
> > 
> > And then you hope that the spinlock state transfers.. That is that both
> > implementations agree what an unlocked spinlock looks like.
> > 
> > Suppose the native one was a ticket spinlock, where unlocked means 'head
> > == tail' while the paravirt one is a test-and-set spinlock, where
> > unlocked means 'val == 0'.
> > 
> > That just happens to not be the case now, but it was for a fair while.
> 
> Sure? This would mean that before spinlock-pvops are being set no lock
> is allowed to be used in the kernel, because this would block the boot
> time transition of the lock variant to use.

Hurm.. true. I suppose I completely forgot how paravirt spinlocks looked
before it got rewritten.

> Another problem I'm seeing is that runtime pvops patching would rely on
> the fact that stop_machine() isn't guarded by a spinlock.

It can't be, stop_machine() relies on scheduling. But yes, that another
variation of 'stuff uses spinlocks'.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-08 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-08  5:02 [RFC PATCH 00/26] Runtime paravirt patching Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:02 ` [RFC PATCH 01/26] x86/paravirt: Specify subsection in PVOP macros Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:02 ` [RFC PATCH 02/26] x86/paravirt: Allow paravirt patching post-init Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 03/26] x86/paravirt: PVRTOP macros for PARAVIRT_RUNTIME Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 04/26] x86/alternatives: Refactor alternatives_smp_module* Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 05/26] x86/alternatives: Rename alternatives_smp*, smp_alt_module Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 06/26] x86/alternatives: Remove stale symbols Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 07/26] x86/paravirt: Persist .parainstructions.runtime Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 08/26] x86/paravirt: Stash native pv-ops Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 09/26] x86/paravirt: Add runtime_patch() Ankur Arora
2020-04-08 11:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 10/26] x86/paravirt: Add primitives to stage pv-ops Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 11/26] x86/alternatives: Remove return value of text_poke*() Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 12/26] x86/alternatives: Use __get_unlocked_pte() in text_poke() Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 13/26] x86/alternatives: Split __text_poke() Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 14/26] x86/alternatives: Handle native insns in text_poke_loc*() Ankur Arora
2020-04-08 11:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-08 11:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 15/26] x86/alternatives: Non-emulated text poking Ankur Arora
2020-04-08 11:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-08 11:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 16/26] x86/alternatives: Add paravirt patching at runtime Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 17/26] x86/alternatives: Add patching logic in text_poke_site() Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 18/26] x86/alternatives: Handle BP in non-emulated text poking Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 19/26] x86/alternatives: NMI safe runtime patching Ankur Arora
2020-04-08 11:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 20/26] x86/paravirt: Enable pv-spinlocks in runtime_patch() Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 21/26] x86/alternatives: Paravirt runtime selftest Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 22/26] kvm/paravirt: Encapsulate KVM pv switching logic Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 23/26] x86/kvm: Add worker to trigger runtime patching Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 24/26] x86/kvm: Support dynamic CPUID hints Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 25/26] x86/kvm: Guest support for dynamic hints Ankur Arora
2020-04-08  5:03 ` [RFC PATCH 26/26] x86/kvm: Add hint change notifier for KVM_HINT_REALTIME Ankur Arora
2020-04-08 12:08 ` [RFC PATCH 00/26] Runtime paravirt patching Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-08 13:33   ` Jürgen Groß
2020-04-08 14:49     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-04-10  9:18   ` Ankur Arora
2020-04-08 12:28 ` Jürgen Groß
2020-04-10  7:56   ` Ankur Arora
2020-04-10  9:32   ` Ankur Arora
2020-04-08 14:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-04-10  9:55   ` Ankur Arora

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