From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Jue Wang <juew@google.com>,
"Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/mm: Don't try to change poison pages to uncacheable in a guest
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:22:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200519052244.GB5081@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200518182629.GA2957@agluck-desk2.amr.corp.intel.com>
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:26:29AM -0700, Luck, Tony wrote:
> Maybe it isn't pretty. But I don't see another practical solution.
>
> The VMM is doing exactly the right thing here. It should not trust
> that the guest will behave and not touch the poison location again.
> If/when the guest does touch the poison, the right action is
> for the VMM to fake a new machine check to the guest.
>
> Theoretlcally the VMM could decode the instruction that the guest
> was trying to use on the poison page and decide "oh, this is that
> weird case in Linux where it's just trying to CLFLUSH the page. I'll
> just step the return IP past the CLFLUSH and let the guest continue".
That's actually doable in KVM, e.g. a hack could be done in <10 lines of
code. A proper fix that integrates with KVM's emulator would be
substantially more code and effort though.
> But that doesn't sound at all reasonable to me (especially as the
> next step is to realize that Linux is going to repeat that for every
> cache line in the page, so you also want to VMM to fudge the register
> contents to skip to the end of the loop and avoid another 63 VMEXITs).
Eh, 63 VM-Exits is peanuts in the grand scheme. Even with the host-side
gup() that's probably less than 50us.
> N.B. Linux wants to switch the page to uncacheable so that in the
> persistant memory case the filesytem code can continue to access
> the other "blocks" in the page, rather than lose all of them. That's
> futile in the case where the VMM took the whole 4K away. Maybe Dan
> needs to think about the guest case too.
This is where I'm unclear as to the guest behavior. Is it doing *just*
CLFLUSH, or is it doing CLFLUSH followed by other accesses to the poisoned
page? If it's the former, then it's probably worth at least exploring a
KVM fix. If it's the latter, then yeah, emulating CLFLUSH for a poisoned
#MC is pointless. I assume it's the latter since the goal is to recover
data?
Oh, and FWIW, the guest won't actually get UC for that page.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-19 5:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-05 18:46 [PATCH] x86/mm: Don't try to change poison pages to uncacheable in a guest Tony Luck
2020-05-16 6:54 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-16 14:47 ` Luck, Tony
2020-05-16 15:02 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-17 1:52 ` Luck, Tony
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[not found] ` <CAPcxDJ6f3pBpwiR9nvXN_g_HBa1RAMG+aOmgfXLFT6aZ9HQn3w@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-18 13:48 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-18 15:36 ` Luck, Tony
2020-05-18 16:55 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-18 18:26 ` Luck, Tony
2020-05-18 19:20 ` Dan Williams
2020-05-19 5:22 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2020-05-19 8:50 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-20 16:35 ` [PATCH v2] x86/mm: Change so poison pages are either unmapped or marked uncacheable Luck, Tony
2020-05-25 11:00 ` [tip: ras/core] x86/{mce,mm}: " tip-bot2 for Tony Luck
2020-05-25 20:40 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-26 17:37 ` Luck, Tony
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[not found] ` <CAPcxDJ54EgX-SaDV=Lm+a2-43O68LhomyYfYdCDz38HGJCkh7g@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-26 19:46 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-26 19:56 ` [tip: ras/core] x86/{mce,mm}: Unmap the entire page if the whole page is affected and poisoned tip-bot2 for Tony Luck
2020-05-19 5:04 ` [PATCH] x86/mm: Don't try to change poison pages to uncacheable in a guest Sean Christopherson
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