From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AE4C433DF for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 06:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150E4206E2 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 06:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728323AbgFOGMK (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 02:12:10 -0400 Received: from jabberwock.ucw.cz ([46.255.230.98]:56664 "EHLO jabberwock.ucw.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728163AbgFOGMK (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 02:12:10 -0400 Received: by jabberwock.ucw.cz (Postfix, from userid 1017) id 863431C0BD2; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 08:12:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 08:12:08 +0200 From: Pavel Machek To: Jiri Slaby Cc: Michael Ellerman , SeongJae Park , Joe Perches , akpm@linux-foundation.org, apw@canonical.com, SeongJae Park , colin.king@canonical.com, sj38.park@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/2] Recommend denylist/allowlist instead of blacklist/whitelist Message-ID: <20200615061208.GA31489@amd> References: <20200611073804.10225-1-sjpark@amazon.com> <38ac91ab-ced3-8a4f-b825-4503fdcddeb8@suse.cz> <877dwcfitg.fsf@mpe.ellerman.id.au> <20200614212911.GB24529@amd> <19ac7f0d-613f-9c8c-8045-e785155fd2e4@suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19ac7f0d-613f-9c8c-8045-e785155fd2e4@suse.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon 2020-06-15 06:21:43, Jiri Slaby wrote: > On 14. 06. 20, 23:29, Pavel Machek wrote: > >> It's not like blacklist / whitelist are even good to begin with, it's > >> not obvious which is which, you have to learn that black is bad and > >> white is good. > >> > >> Blocklist (or denylist?) and allowlist are actually more descriptive a= nd > >> less likely to cause confusion. > >=20 > > You do not understand how word "blacklist" is used inside the kernel, > > do you? Do a quick grep. >=20 > And now, do the same for "blocklist". >=20 > And is "denylist" a proper word? As grep gives zarro results... >=20 > It's not that easy to find alternatives. OTOH, admittedly, "blacklist" > is used improperly in some contexts. Some synonyms fit better. Well, many of the uses is "list of hardware that needs particular workaround" or "list of hardware that is broken in some way"... Neither 'blocklist' nor 'denylist' fit that usage. Best regards, Pavel --=20 (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blo= g.html --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAl7nETgACgkQMOfwapXb+vLAFQCfaV+RvcVMWAndDcGFxqr3rLup STcAn0J4kZos/bvffljlxvc2aHLwdzy3 =1ptF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD--