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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH x86/entry: Force rcu_irq_enter() when in idle task
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:30:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200616143018.GD12037@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871rmfcskb.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:40:04AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Joel,
> 
> Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> writes:
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 03:55:00PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >> This is also correct vs. user mode entries in NOHZ full scenarios because
> >> user mode entries bring RCU out of EQS and force the RCU irq nesting state
> >
> > I had to re-read this sentence a couple of times. The 'user mode entries'
> > sounds like 'entry into user mode'. It would be good to reword it to 'IRQ
> > entry in user mode'.
> 
> :)
> 
> > My knowledge predates the rcu-watching reworks so apologies on the below
> > question but I still didn't fully follow why when the idle task behaves
> > differently from being in user mode. Even with user mode we should have:
> >
> > <user mode>  (in EQS)
> >   <irq entry>   <---------- exits EQS so now rcu is watching
> >      <softirq entry in the exit path>
> >         <timer tick irq entry>  <-- the buggy !watching logic prevents rcu_irq_enter
> > 	    -> report QS since tick thinks it is first level.
> >
> > Is there a subtlety here I'm missing? I checked the RCU code and I did not
> > see anywhere that rcu_user_enter() makes it behave differently. Both
> > rcu_user_enter() and rcu_idle_enter() call rcu_eqs_enter().
> 
> The interrupt hit user mode entry does:
> 
>     idtentry_enter_cond_rcu()
>       if (user_mode(regs))
>          enter_from_user_mode()
>            user_exit_irqoff()
>              __context_tracking_exit(CONTEXT_USER)
>                rcu_user_exit()
>                  rcu_eqs_exit(1)
>                    ...
>                    WRITE_ONCE(rdp->dynticks_nmi_nesting,
>                               DYNTICK_IRQ_NONIDLE);
> 
> i.e. for interrupts which enter from user mode we are not invoking
> rcu_irq_enter() at all.
> 
> The return from interrupt path has nothing to do with that because
> that's an entry in kernel mode.

Hi Thomas,
Ah, IRQ entry in user mode triggers the context-tracking path. Makes sense now, thanks.

This will help me when I have to propose to get rid of dynticks_nmi_nesting again :)

Reviewed-by: Joel Fernandes (Google) <joel@joelfernandes.org>

thanks,

 - Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-16 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-11 23:53 [PATCH RFC] x86/entry: Ask RCU if it needs rcu_irq_{enter,exit}() Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-11 23:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12  5:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12 12:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 13:55     ` [PATCH x86/entry: Force rcu_irq_enter() when in idle task Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 14:26       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-06-12 14:47         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 15:32       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12 17:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12 19:19         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12 19:25           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 19:28             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12 19:34             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 21:56               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12 19:50       ` [tip: x86/entry] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-15 20:16       ` [PATCH " Joel Fernandes
2020-06-16  8:40         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-16 14:30           ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2020-06-16 16:52             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12  9:27 ` [PATCH RFC] x86/entry: Ask RCU if it needs rcu_irq_{enter,exit}() Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 13:57   ` Paul E. McKenney

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