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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: objtool clac/stac handling change..
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 23:25:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200703222516.GW2786714@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUpmTqHbZ_XtGhOqFQ4iWQ5bSqppXsHzaGVGdGqBCra0Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 02:41:43PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:

> I still feel like the ex_handler-automatically-does-CLAC thing is an
> optimization that isn't worth it.  Once we pull our heads out of the
> giant pile of macros and inlined functions, we're talking about
> changing:

> clac; jmp.  But on the flip side, the jump folding pattern looks
> better like this:
> 
> unsafe_uaccess_begin();
> if (unsafe_get_user(...))
>   goto fail;
> if (unsafe_get_user(...))
>   goto fail;
> unsafe_uaccess_end();
> 
> fail:
>   unsafe_uaccess_end();
> 
> than like:
> 
> unsafe_uaccess_begin();
> if (unsafe_get_user(...))
>   goto fail;
> if (unsafe_get_user(...))
>   goto fail;
> unsafe_uaccess_end();
> 
> fail:
>   /* not unsafe_uaccess_end(); because unsafe_get_user() has
> conditional-CLAC semantics */

First of all, user_access_begin() itself can bloody well fail.  So you need
to handle that as well.  And then it becomes nowhere near as pretty.

We can pretend that it's normal C; however, that's not true at all - there
are shitloads of things you can't do in such areas, starting with "call anything
other than a very small list of functions".  It's not a normal C environment
at all.

My problem is not with having AC turned off in exception handler - it leads
to saner patterns, no arguments here.  I'm not happy with doing doing that
on *every* exception, with no way to specify whether it should or should not
be done.  It's not like it would've cost us anything to be able to specify
that - we have the third argument of _ASM_EXTABLE_HANDLE(), after all.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-03 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-01 18:22 objtool clac/stac handling change Linus Torvalds
2020-07-01 18:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-01 19:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-01 20:36     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-01 20:51       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-07-01 21:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-02  0:00           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-07-02  8:05             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-01 20:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-02  0:47         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-02  2:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-02  2:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-02  3:08             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-01 18:41 ` Al Viro
2020-07-01 19:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-01 19:59     ` Al Viro
2020-07-01 20:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-02 13:34         ` Michael Ellerman
2020-07-02 14:01           ` Al Viro
2020-07-02 14:04             ` Al Viro
2020-07-02 15:13           ` Christophe Leroy
2020-07-02 20:13             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-03  3:59               ` Michael Ellerman
2020-07-03  3:17             ` Michael Ellerman
2020-07-03  5:27               ` Christophe Leroy
2020-07-02 19:52           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-02 20:17             ` Al Viro
2020-07-02 20:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-02 20:59                 ` Al Viro
2020-07-02 21:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-03  1:33                     ` Al Viro
2020-07-03  3:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-03 21:02                       ` Al Viro
2020-07-03 21:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-03 21:41                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-03 22:25                             ` Al Viro [this message]
2020-07-03 21:59                           ` Al Viro
2020-07-03 22:04                             ` Al Viro
2020-07-03 22:12                           ` Al Viro
2020-07-04  0:49                         ` Al Viro
2020-07-04  1:54                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-04  2:30                             ` Al Viro
2020-07-04  3:06                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-04  2:11                           ` Al Viro
2020-07-07 12:35                             ` David Laight
2020-07-10 22:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-13  9:32                                 ` David Laight

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