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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 -tip 06/26] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling.
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:31:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201023213118.GD3563800@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201023192654.GH2974@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 09:26:54PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 01:57:24PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:54:00PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:51:29PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 09:43:16PM -0400, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> > > > > +			/*
> > > > > +			 * If this sibling doesn't yet have a suitable task to
> > > > > +			 * run; ask for the most elegible task, given the
> > > > > +			 * highest priority task already selected for this
> > > > > +			 * core.
> > > > > +			 */
> > > > > +			p = pick_task(rq_i, class, max);
> > > > > +			if (!p) {
> > > > > +				/*
> > > > > +				 * If there weren't no cookies; we don't need to
> > > > > +				 * bother with the other siblings.
> > > > > +				 * If the rest of the core is not running a tagged
> > > > > +				 * task, i.e.  need_sync == 0, and the current CPU
> > > > > +				 * which called into the schedule() loop does not
> > > > > +				 * have any tasks for this class, skip selecting for
> > > > > +				 * other siblings since there's no point. We don't skip
> > > > > +				 * for RT/DL because that could make CFS force-idle RT.
> > > > > +				 */
> > > > > +				if (i == cpu && !need_sync && class == &fair_sched_class)
> > > > > +					goto next_class;
> > > > > +
> > > > > +				continue;
> > > > > +			}
> > > > 
> > > > I'm failing to understand the class == &fair_sched_class bit.
> > 
> > The last line in the comment explains it "We don't skip for RT/DL because
> > that could make CFS force-idle RT.".
> 
> Well, yes, but it does not explain how this can come about, now does it.

Sorry, I should have made it a separate commit with the below explanation. Oh
well, live and learn!

> > Even if need_sync == false, we need to go look at other CPUs (non-local
> > CPUs) to see if they could be running RT.
> > 
> > Say the RQs in a particular core look like this:
> > Let CFS1 and CFS2 be 2 tagged CFS tags. Let RT1 be an untagged RT task.
> > 
> > rq0	       rq1
> > CFS1 (tagged)  RT1 (not tag)
> > CFS2 (tagged)
> > 
> > Say schedule() runs on rq0. Now, it will enter the above loop and
> > pick_task(RT) will return NULL for 'p'. It will enter the above if() block
> > and see that need_sync == false and will skip RT entirely.
> > 
> > The end result of the selection will be (say prio(CFS1) > prio(CFS2)):
> > rq0		rq1
> > CFS1		IDLE
> > 
> > When it should have selected:
> > rq0		r1
> > IDLE		RT
> > 
> > I saw this issue on real-world usecases in ChromeOS where an RT task gets
> > constantly force-idled and breaks RT. The "class == &fair_sched_class" bit
> > cures it.
> 
> Ah, I see. The thing is, this looses the optimization for a bunch of
> valid (and arguably common) scenarios. The problem is that the moment we
> end up selecting a task with a cookie we've invalidated the premise
> under which we ended up with the selected task.
> 
> How about this then?

This does look better. It makes sense and I think it will work. I will look
more into it and also test it.

BTW, as further optimization in the future, isn't it better for the
schedule() loop on 1 HT to select for all HT *even if* need_sync == false to
begin with?  i.e. no cookied tasks are runnable.

That way the pick loop in schedule() running on other HTs can directly pick
what was pre-selected for it via:
        if (rq->core->core_pick_seq == rq->core->core_task_seq &&
            rq->core->core_pick_seq != rq->core_sched_seq &&
            rq->core_pick)
.. which I think is more efficient. Its just a thought and may not be worth doing.

thanks,

 - Joel


> --- a/kernel/sched/core.c
> +++ b/kernel/sched/core.c
> @@ -4709,6 +4709,7 @@ pick_next_task(struct rq *rq, struct tas
>  	need_sync = !!rq->core->core_cookie;
> 
>  	/* reset state */
> +reset:
>  	rq->core->core_cookie = 0UL;
>  	for_each_cpu(i, smt_mask) {
>  		struct rq *rq_i = cpu_rq(i);
> @@ -4748,14 +4749,8 @@ pick_next_task(struct rq *rq, struct tas
>  				/*
>  				 * If there weren't no cookies; we don't need to
>  				 * bother with the other siblings.
> -				 * If the rest of the core is not running a tagged
> -				 * task, i.e.  need_sync == 0, and the current CPU
> -				 * which called into the schedule() loop does not
> -				 * have any tasks for this class, skip selecting for
> -				 * other siblings since there's no point. We don't skip
> -				 * for RT/DL because that could make CFS force-idle RT.
>  				 */
> -				if (i == cpu && !need_sync && !p->core_cookie)
> +				if (i == cpu && !need_sync)
>  					goto next_class;
> 
>  				continue;
> @@ -4765,7 +4760,17 @@ pick_next_task(struct rq *rq, struct tas
>  			 * Optimize the 'normal' case where there aren't any
>  			 * cookies and we don't need to sync up.
>  			 */
> -			if (i == cpu && !need_sync && !p->core_cookie) {
> +			if (i == cpu && !need_sync) {
> +				if (p->core_cookie) {
> +					/*
> +					 * This optimization is only valid as
> +					 * long as there are no cookies
> +					 * involved.
> +					 */
> +					need_sync = true;
> +					goto reset;
> +				}
> +
>  				next = p;
>  				goto done;
>  			}
> @@ -4805,7 +4810,6 @@ pick_next_task(struct rq *rq, struct tas
>  					 */
>  					need_sync = true;
>  				}
> -
>  			}
>  		}
>  next_class:;
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-23 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-20  1:43 [PATCH v8 -tip 00/26] Core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 01/26] sched: Wrap rq::lock access Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 02/26] sched: Introduce sched_class::pick_task() Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-22  7:59   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-22 15:25     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-23  5:25       ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-23 21:47         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-24  2:48           ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-24 11:10             ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-10-24 12:27               ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-10-24 23:48                 ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-26  9:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-27  3:17                   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-10-27 14:19                   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-27 15:23                     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-27 14:14                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 03/26] sched: Core-wide rq->lock Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-26 11:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-27 16:27     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 04/26] sched/fair: Add a few assertions Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 05/26] sched: Basic tracking of matching tasks Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 06/26] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-23 13:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 13:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 17:57       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-23 19:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 21:31           ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2020-10-26  8:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-27 16:58               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-26  9:31             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-05 18:50               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-05 22:07                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-23 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 17:59     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 07/26] sched/fair: Fix forced idle sibling starvation corner case Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 08/26] sched/fair: Snapshot the min_vruntime of CPUs on force idle Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-26 12:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-28 15:29     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-28 18:39     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-29 16:59     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-29 18:24     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-29 18:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-30  2:36         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-30  2:42           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-30  8:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-31 21:41               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 09/26] sched: Trivial forced-newidle balancer Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 10/26] sched: migration changes for core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 11/26] irq_work: Cleanup Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 12/26] arch/x86: Add a new TIF flag for untrusted tasks Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 13/26] kernel/entry: Add support for core-wide protection of kernel-mode Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  3:41   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-11-03  0:20     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-22  5:48   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-03  0:50     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-30 10:29   ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-03  1:20     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-06 16:57       ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-06 17:43         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-06 18:07           ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-10  9:35       ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-10 22:42         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-16 10:08           ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:50             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-16 15:43               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 14/26] entry/idle: Enter and exit kernel protection during idle entry and exit Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 15/26] entry/kvm: Protect the kernel when entering from guest Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 16/26] sched: cgroup tagging interface for core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 17/26] sched: Split the cookie and setup per-task cookie on fork Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-04 22:30   ` chris hyser
2020-11-05 14:49     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-09 23:30     ` chris hyser
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 18/26] sched: Add a per-thread core scheduling interface Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 19/26] sched: Add a second-level tag for nested CGroup usecase Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-31  0:42   ` Josh Don
2020-11-03  2:54     ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]   ` <6c07e70d-52f2-69ff-e1fa-690cd2c97f3d@linux.intel.com>
2020-11-05 15:52     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 20/26] sched: Release references to the per-task cookie on exit Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-04 21:50   ` chris hyser
2020-11-05 15:46     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 21/26] sched: Handle task addition to CGroup Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 22/26] sched/debug: Add CGroup node for printing group cookie if SCHED_DEBUG Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 23/26] kselftest: Add tests for core-sched interface Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-30 22:20   ` [PATCH] sched: Change all 4 space tabs to actual tabs John B. Wyatt IV
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 24/26] sched: Move core-scheduler interfacing code to a new file Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-26  1:05   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-03  2:58     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 25/26] Documentation: Add core scheduling documentation Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-20  3:36   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-11-12 16:11     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-20  1:43 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 26/26] sched: Debug bits Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-10-30 13:26 ` [PATCH v8 -tip 00/26] Core scheduling Ning, Hongyu
2020-11-06  2:58   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-06 17:54     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-09  6:04       ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-06 20:55 ` [RFT for v9] (Was Re: [PATCH v8 -tip 00/26] Core scheduling) Joel Fernandes
2020-11-13  9:22   ` Ning, Hongyu
2020-11-13 10:01     ` Ning, Hongyu

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