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From: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: "Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)" <urezki@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, RCU <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Theodore Y . Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Oleksiy Avramchenko <oleksiy.avramchenko@sonymobile.com>,
	willy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/16] rcu/tree: Add a work to allocate pages from regular context
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 17:33:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201103163350.GA10665@pc636> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201103154723.GA1310511@google.com>

On Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 10:47:23AM -0500, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 05:50:04PM +0100, Uladzislau Rezki (Sony) wrote:
> > The current memmory-allocation interface presents to following
> > difficulties that this patch is designed to overcome:
> > 
> > a) If built with CONFIG_PROVE_RAW_LOCK_NESTING, the lockdep will
> >    complain about violation("BUG: Invalid wait context") of the
> >    nesting rules. It does the raw_spinlock vs. spinlock nesting
> >    checks, i.e. it is not legal to acquire a spinlock_t while
> >    holding a raw_spinlock_t.
> > 
> >    Internally the kfree_rcu() uses raw_spinlock_t whereas the
> >    "page allocator" internally deals with spinlock_t to access
> >    to its zones. The code also can be broken from higher level
> >    of view:
> >    <snip>
> >        raw_spin_lock(&some_lock);
> >        kfree_rcu(some_pointer, some_field_offset);
> >    <snip>
> > 
> > b) If built with CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT. Please note, in that case spinlock_t
> >    is converted into sleepable variant. Invoking the page allocator from
> >    atomic contexts leads to "BUG: scheduling while atomic".
> > 
> > c) call_rcu() is invoked from raw atomic context and kfree_rcu()
> >    and kvfree_rcu() are expected to be called from atomic raw context
> >    as well.
> > 
> > Move out a page allocation from contexts which trigger kvfree_rcu()
> > function to the separate worker. When a k[v]free_rcu() per-cpu page
> > cache is empty a fallback mechanism is used and a special job is
> > scheduled to refill the per-cpu cache.
> 
> Looks good, still reviewing here. BTW just for my education, I was wondering
> about Thomas's email:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/8/11/939
> 
> If slab allocations in pure raw-atomic context on RT is not allowed or
> recommended, should kfree_rcu() be allowed?
>
Thanks for reviewing, Joel :)

The decision was made that we need to support kfree_rcu() from "real atomic contexts",
to align with how it used to be before. We can go and just convert our local locks
to the spinlock_t variant but that was not Paul goal, it can be that some users need
kfree_rcu() for raw atomics.

>
> slab can have same issue right? If per-cpu cache is drained, it has to
> allocate page from buddy allocator and there's no GFP flag to tell it about
> context where alloc is happening from.
> 
Sounds like that. Apart of that, it might turn out soon that we or somebody
else will rise a question one more time about something GFP_RAW or GFP_NOLOCKS.
So who knows..

>
> Or are we saying that we want to support kfree on RT from raw atomic atomic
> context, even though kmalloc is not supported? I hate to bring up this
> elephant in the room, but since I am a part of the people maintaining this
> code, I believe I would rather set some rules than supporting unsupported
> usages. :-\ (Once I know what is supported and what isn't that is). If indeed
> raw atomic kfree_rcu() is a bogus use case because of -RT, then we ought to
> put a giant warning than supporting it :-(.
> 
We discussed it several times, the conclusion was that we need to support 
kfree_rcu() from raw contexts. At least that was a clear signal from Paul 
to me. I think, if we obtain the preemtable(), so it becomes versatile, we
can drop the patch that is in question later on in the future.

--
Vlad Rezki

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-03 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-29 16:50 [PATCH 01/16] rcu/tree: Add a work to allocate pages from regular context Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 02/16] lib/debug: Remove pointless ARCH_NO_PREEMPT dependencies Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 03/16] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 04/16] preempt: Cleanup PREEMPT_COUNT leftovers Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 05/16] lockdep: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 06/16] mm/pagemap: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 20:57   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-29 21:26     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 07/16] locking/bitspinlock: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 08/16] uaccess: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 09/16] sched: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 10/16] ARM: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 11/16] xtensa: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 12/16] drm/i915: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 13/16] rcutorture: " Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 14/16] preempt: Remove PREEMPT_COUNT from Kconfig Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 15/16] rcu/tree: Allocate a page when caller is preemptible Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-11-03 18:03   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-04 11:39     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-11-04 14:36       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-29 16:50 ` [PATCH 16/16] rcu/tree: Use delayed work instead of hrtimer to refill the cache Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-10-29 19:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-29 20:13     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-29 20:22       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-10-29 20:33         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-29 21:00           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-11-03 15:47 ` [PATCH 01/16] rcu/tree: Add a work to allocate pages from regular context Joel Fernandes
2020-11-03 16:33   ` Uladzislau Rezki [this message]
2020-11-03 19:18     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-11-04 12:35       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-11-04 14:12         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-11-04 14:40           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-11-03 17:54 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-04 12:12   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-11-04 15:01     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-04 18:38       ` Uladzislau Rezki

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