From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA13C63798 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07034206D5 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="V4FI692R" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2390546AbgKXQk6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:40:58 -0500 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:45658 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2390275AbgKXQk5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:40:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (cpc102334-sgyl38-2-0-cust884.18-2.cable.virginm.net [92.233.91.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59FEF2063A; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:40:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1606236056; bh=8hRyrH+e9jPA9ADN2yrZ91TecMLNXEDDHVw9OxfQm68=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=V4FI692RUTMP1nyquq8bac1/iKDFtWsdrvok+tObajfwGMp17f4VtJuHfydgybk/y nx2oyT1wrGjSCtOZo/ZzZcWXErq4WiPrrPXZeMd8UfUyJZyzHQZI40TkzTphxQ/1xH D9xzKwI39fiQx0ylW3+sQFv56hmnhsyXu4kWkQL8= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:40:33 +0000 From: Mark Brown To: Linus Walleij Cc: Grant Likely , Rob Herring , Sven Van Asbroeck , Andy Shevchenko , Jonathan Cameron , Simon Han , Lukas Wunner , linux-spi , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] spi: fix client driver breakages when using GPIO descriptors Message-ID: <20201124164033.GH4933@sirena.org.uk> References: <20201106150706.29089-1-TheSven73@gmail.com> <20201111123327.GB4847@sirena.org.uk> <20201116210632.GJ4739@sirena.org.uk> <20201118114049.GA4827@sirena.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k18oBAwMkTg3OUap" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Cookie: Who was that masked man? User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --k18oBAwMkTg3OUap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 04:21:48PM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote: > > What people think they were sold was the idea that they shouldn't have > > to write driver code or upstream things, something with more AML like > > capabilities (not realising that AML works partly because ACPI hugely > > constrains system design). > This makes a lot of sense. > I suppose what we need to think about is the bigger question of why > people/companies/managers are so worried about working upstream > that they will go to lengths to avoid it and jump at any chance of > raising a wall of abstraction between their internal development and > the in-kernel software development. > I think of this as vendor/community couples therapy or something, > there is some form of deep disconnect or mistrust going on at times > and having worked on both ends myself I would think I could > understand it but I can't. In this case I think this is partly due to the way people were sold on the DT conversion - part of the sales pitch was that you'd not need to get board support upstream, which is a useful thing if you want to run things like LTS or distro kernels on newer hardware. --k18oBAwMkTg3OUap Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAl+9N4AACgkQJNaLcl1U h9AmLAf8DM61FfpzGM4oQNZas4+G08OBlwKsgGSIdCGWJmARtSNsr/v/gU8uxHl9 9xHTfsELOPN14KEMMJ/cjbvZYETVFaRY3Awt/hGFyFk8Ry+qIMa8McDuEFk4qOKR 2JEuuKKXsIC0LS+9CPvK1lDqsAEmPdFjvgv6aKEjMdI60FhZznjqWPTDfDu0vyX8 /TNgMGhOrcz58URC93saI6+rUKm6QCP/4oY4ptnwQEUxo8U7cG8siurSLIw9kVhq jae23kx9bng89T86IXpu8bFnHxw76ke6/Xsb/kwRf0YmgXAOV9e4vdwVb93qBgYU Wvpjcfcoe5T50D19Xjt9LuUufb7waw== =VuZO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k18oBAwMkTg3OUap--