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From: Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>,
	Alessandro Zummo <a.zummo@towertech.it>,
	linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rtc: adapt allowed RTC update error
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:51:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201204095138.GG74177@piout.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87im9hc3u2.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On 04/12/2020 10:34:13+0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 03 2020 at 23:00, Alexandre Belloni wrote:
> > On 03/12/2020 22:05:09+0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >> 2) I2C/SPI ...
> >> 
> >>    tsched t0                 t1                     t2
> >>           transfer(newsec)   RTC update (newsec)    RTC increments seconds
> >> 
> >>    Lets assume that ttransfer = t1 - t0 is known.
> >
> > Note that ttransfer is one of the reason why setting set_offset_nsec
> > from the RTC driver is not a good idea. The same RTC may be on busses
> > with different rates and there is no way to know that. I think that was
> > one of my objections at the time.
> >
> > ttransfer is not a function of the RTC model but rather of how it is
> > integrated in the system.
> 
> Yes, but it's the right place to store that information.
> 
> It's a fundamental problem of the RTC driver because that's the one
> which has to be able to tell the caller about it. The caller has
> absolutely no way to figure it out because it does not even know what
> type of RTC is there.
> 
> So either the RTC knows the requirements for tsched, e.g. the MC14xxx
> datasheet, or it can retrieve that information from DT or by querying
> the underlying bus mechanics for the xfer time estimate or just by
> timing an xfer for reference.
> 

What I do from userspace is that the caller is the one estimating the
transfer time and this works very well. I really think that the ntp code
could do just the same.


-- 
Alexandre Belloni, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-04  9:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-01 14:38 [PATCH] rtc: adapt allowed RTC update error Miroslav Lichvar
2020-12-01 16:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-01 17:14   ` Miroslav Lichvar
2020-12-01 17:35     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-02 10:01       ` [PATCHv2] " Miroslav Lichvar
2020-12-02 13:44       ` [PATCH] " Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-02 15:07         ` Miroslav Lichvar
2020-12-02 15:36           ` Miroslav Lichvar
2020-12-02 18:36             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-02 16:27         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-02 19:21           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-02 20:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-02 22:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-02 23:03                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03  1:14                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03  2:04                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03  2:10                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-03 15:39                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03 16:16                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03 21:05                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03 21:31                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03 22:36                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-04 13:02                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-04 14:08                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-04 14:37                                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-04 14:46                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-04 15:08                                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-04 15:57                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-04 16:35                                           ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-03 22:00                           ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-04  9:34                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-04  9:51                               ` Alexandre Belloni [this message]
2020-12-04 10:44                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03 17:29                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-03 19:52                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03 15:52                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-03 16:07                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-03 20:10                         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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