From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6C0C433E0 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 19:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD6723433 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 19:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727256AbhAGT63 (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:58:29 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:51254 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726064AbhAGT63 (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:58:29 -0500 Received: from ZenIV.linux.org.uk (zeniv.linux.org.uk [IPv6:2002:c35c:fd02::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E863CC0612F4 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 11:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from viro by ZenIV.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1kxbPa-0087OV-49; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:57:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 19:57:34 +0000 From: Al Viro To: Linus Torvalds Cc: kernel test robot , Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , Borislav Petkov , Peter Zijlstra , LKML , lkp@lists.01.org, kernel test robot , "Huang, Ying" , Feng Tang , zhengjun.xing@intel.com Subject: Re: [x86] d55564cfc2: will-it-scale.per_thread_ops -5.8% regression Message-ID: <20210107195734.GL3579531@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <20210107134723.GA28532@xsang-OptiPlex-9020> <20210107183358.GG3579531@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20210107190445.GK3579531@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: Al Viro Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 11:33:36AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > In fact, even some threaded app that does what I suspect it could do > would likely be ok with it 99% of the time. Because the situation > where you change the fd in the poll array is likely not the common > case, and even if some -1 file descriptor gets overwritten by a valid > one by the poll() system call again, it probably ends up being very > hard to see a failure. > > Which just makes me even more nervous. Hmm... But anything like that will have another problem - we do copyin only once. And we repeat fdget() on each iteration of do_poll() loop. Sure, we don't actually put anything on the queues after the first time around, and __pollwait() keeps the ones we are actually waiting for pinned, but... If another thread stores -1 to ->fd, then closes what used to be there and moves on, what will it see? ->poll() calls will be done for whatever file we'd reused the descriptor for. Sure, the kernel won't break, but the caller of poll() would need to be very careful about what it sees... Frankly, I'd consider seeing that kind of games in the userland as a big red flag; I'm not saying it's OK to break the suckers even worse than they are now, but I'm curious whether anything in the userland does it *and* how many bugs does it have around those uses of poll()...