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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Subject: Re: Why does glibc use AVX-512?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:06:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210326100620.GA25229@zn.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrURmk4ZijJVUtJwouj=_0NPiUvUFr9XMvdniRRFqeU+fg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 09:38:24PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> I think we should seriously consider solutions in which, for new
> tasks, XCR0 has new giant features (e.g. AMX) and possibly even
> AVX-512 cleared, and programs need to explicitly request enablement.

I totally agree with making this depend on an explicit user request,
but...

> This would allow programs to opt into not saving/restoring across
> signals or to save/restore in buffers supplied when the feature is
> enabled.  This has all kinds of pros and cons, and I'm not sure it's a
> great idea.  But, in the absence of some change to the ABI, the
> default outcome is that, on AMX-enabled kernels on AMX-enabled
> hardware, the signal frame will be more than 8kB, and this will affect
> *every* signal regardless of whether AMX is in use.

... what's stopping the library from issuing that new ABI call before it
starts the app and get <insert fat feature here> automatically enabled
for everything by default?

And then we'll get the lazy FPU thing all over again.

So the ABI should be explicit user interaction or a kernel cmdline param
or so.

Thx.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-26 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-26  4:38 Why does glibc use AVX-512? Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 10:06 ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2021-03-26 18:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 12:12 ` Florian Weimer
2021-03-26 18:14   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 19:34     ` Florian Weimer
2021-03-26 19:47       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 20:06         ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-26 20:35         ` Florian Weimer
2021-03-26 20:43           ` H.J. Lu
2021-03-26 20:48           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 21:11             ` Florian Weimer
2021-03-26 21:21               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 13:32 ` David Laight

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