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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Valentin Schneider <Valentin.Schneider@arm.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>,
	Barry Song <song.bao.hua@hisilicon.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gautham Shenoy <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Use weight of SD_NUMA domain in find_busiest_group
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:32:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211221113227.GT3366@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtDPu6r3dsSmY-ZDB0k4muoSk1a2J3=NKqoBG1y8aEwNYQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:53:50AM +0100, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 at 10:33, Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
> >
> > find_busiest_group uses the child domain's group weight instead of
> > the sched_domain's weight that has SD_NUMA set when calculating the
> > allowed imbalance between NUMA nodes. This is wrong and inconsistent
> > with find_idlest_group.
> 
> I agree that find_busiest_group and find_idlest_group should be
> consistent and use the same parameters but I wonder if sched_domain's
> weight is the right one to use instead of the target group's weight.
> 

Ok

> IIRC, the goal of adjust_numa_imbalance is to keep some threads on the
> same node as long as we consider that there is no performance impact
> because of sharing  resources as they can even take advantage of
> locality if they interact.

Yes.

> So we consider that tasks will not be
> impacted by sharing resources if they use less than 25% of the CPUs of
> a node. If we use the sd->span_weight instead, we consider that we can
> pack threads in the same node as long as it uses less than 25% of the
> CPUs in all nodes.
> 

I assume you mean the target group weight instead of the node. The
primary resource we are concerned with is memory bandwidth and it's a
guess because we do not know for sure where memory channels are or how
they are configured in this context and it may or may not be correlated
with groups. I think using the group instead would deserve a series on
its own after settling on an imbalance number when there are multiple
LLCs per node.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-21 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-10  9:33 [PATCH v4 0/2] Adjust NUMA imbalance for multiple LLCs Mel Gorman
2021-12-10  9:33 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Use weight of SD_NUMA domain in find_busiest_group Mel Gorman
2021-12-21 10:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-12-21 11:32     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2021-12-21 13:05       ` Vincent Guittot
2021-12-10  9:33 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Adjust the allowed NUMA imbalance when SD_NUMA spans multiple LLCs Mel Gorman
2021-12-13  8:28   ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2021-12-13 13:01     ` Mel Gorman
2021-12-13 14:47       ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2021-12-15 11:52         ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2021-12-15 12:25           ` Mel Gorman
2021-12-16 18:33             ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2021-12-20 11:12               ` Mel Gorman
2021-12-21 15:03                 ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2021-12-21 17:13                 ` Vincent Guittot
2021-12-22  8:52                   ` Jirka Hladky
2022-01-04 19:52                     ` Jirka Hladky
2022-01-05 10:42                   ` Mel Gorman
2022-01-05 10:49                     ` Mel Gorman
2022-01-10 15:53                     ` Vincent Guittot
2022-01-12 10:24                       ` Mel Gorman
2021-12-17 19:54   ` Gautham R. Shenoy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-01 15:18 [PATCH v3 0/2] Adjust NUMA imbalance for " Mel Gorman
2021-12-01 15:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Use weight of SD_NUMA domain in find_busiest_group Mel Gorman
2021-12-03  8:38   ` Barry Song
2021-12-03  9:51     ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2021-12-03 10:53     ` Mel Gorman
2021-11-25 15:19 [PATCH 0/2] Adjust NUMA imbalance for multiple LLCs Mel Gorman
2021-11-25 15:19 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Use weight of SD_NUMA domain in find_busiest_group Mel Gorman

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