From: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC V1 PATCH 0/5] selftests: KVM: selftests for fd-based approach of supporting private memory
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 08:42:00 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220413134200.ms5lscs7lvvih7a5@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e8a4cac5-bc5a-4483-9443-c0e5b9f707d1@www.fastmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 05:16:22PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022, at 2:05 PM, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> > This series implements selftests targeting the feature floated by Chao
> > via:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20220310140911.50924-1-chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com/
> >
> > Below changes aim to test the fd based approach for guest private memory
> > in context of normal (non-confidential) VMs executing on non-confidential
> > platforms.
> >
> > Confidential platforms along with the confidentiality aware software
> > stack support a notion of private/shared accesses from the confidential
> > VMs.
> > Generally, a bit in the GPA conveys the shared/private-ness of the
> > access. Non-confidential platforms don't have a notion of private or
> > shared accesses from the guest VMs. To support this notion,
> > KVM_HC_MAP_GPA_RANGE
> > is modified to allow marking an access from a VM within a GPA range as
> > always shared or private. Any suggestions regarding implementing this ioctl
> > alternatively/cleanly are appreciated.
>
> This is fantastic. I do think we need to decide how this should work in general. We have a few platforms with somewhat different properties:
>
> TDX: The guest decides, per memory access (using a GPA bit), whether an access is private or shared. In principle, the same address could be *both* and be distinguished by only that bit, and the two addresses would refer to different pages.
>
> SEV: The guest decides, per memory access (using a GPA bit), whether an access is private or shared. At any given time, a physical address (with that bit masked off) can be private, shared, or invalid, but it can't be valid as private and shared at the same time.
>
> pKVM (currently, as I understand it): the guest decides by hypercall, in advance of an access, which addresses are private and which are shared.
>
> This series, if I understood it correctly, is like TDX except with no hardware security.
>
> Sean or Chao, do you have a clear sense of whether the current fd-based private memory proposal can cleanly support SEV and pKVM? What, if anything, needs to be done on the API side to get that working well? I don't think we need to support SEV or pKVM right away to get this merged, but I do think we should understand how the API can map to them.
I've been looking at porting the SEV-SNP hypervisor patches over to
using memfd, and I hit an issue that I think is generally applicable
to SEV/SEV-ES as well. Namely at guest init time we have something
like the following flow:
VMM:
- allocate shared memory to back the guest and map it into guest
address space
- initialize shared memory with initialize memory contents (namely
the BIOS)
- ask KVM to encrypt these pages in-place and measure them to
generate the initial measured payload for attestation, via
KVM_SEV_LAUNCH_UPDATE with the GPA for each range of memory to
encrypt.
KVM:
- issue SEV_LAUNCH_UPDATE firmware command, which takes an HPA as
input and does an in-place encryption/measure of the page.
With current v5 of the memfd/UPM series, I think the expected flow is that
we would fallocate() these ranges from the private fd backend in advance of
calling KVM_SEV_LAUNCH_UPDATE (if VMM does it after we'd destroy the initial
guest payload, since they'd be replaced by newly-allocated pages). But if
VMM does it before, VMM has no way to initialize the guest memory contents,
since mmap()/pwrite() are disallowed due to MFD_INACCESSIBLE.
I think something similar to your proposal[1] here of making pread()/pwrite()
possible for private-fd-backed memory that's been flagged as "shareable"
would work for this case. Although here the "shareable" flag could be
removed immediately upon successful completion of the SEV_LAUNCH_UPDATE
firmware command.
I think with TDX this isn't an issue because their analagous TDH.MEM.PAGE.ADD
seamcall takes a pair of source/dest HPA as input params, so the VMM
wouldn't need write access to dest HPA at any point, just source HPA.
[1] https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/eefc3c74-acca-419c-8947-726ce2458446@www.fastmail.com/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-04-13 13:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-08 21:05 [RFC V1 PATCH 0/5] selftests: KVM: selftests for fd-based approach of supporting private memory Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-08 21:05 ` [RFC V1 PATCH 1/5] x86: kvm: HACK: Allow testing of priv memfd approach Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-08 21:05 ` [RFC V1 PATCH 2/5] selftests: kvm: Fix inline assembly for hypercall Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-08 21:05 ` [RFC V1 PATCH 3/5] selftests: kvm: Add a basic selftest to test private memory Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-08 21:05 ` [RFC V1 PATCH 4/5] selftests: kvm: priv_memfd_test: Add support for memory conversion Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-08 21:05 ` [RFC V1 PATCH 5/5] selftests: kvm: priv_memfd_test: Add shared access test Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-11 12:01 ` [RFC V1 PATCH 0/5] selftests: KVM: selftests for fd-based approach of supporting private memory Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-04-12 8:25 ` Chao Peng
2022-04-13 0:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-13 13:42 ` Michael Roth [this message]
2022-04-14 10:07 ` Chao Peng
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