From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] sched/numa: Adjust imb_numa_nr to a better approximation of memory channels
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:41:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220518094112.GE10117@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220511143038.4620-5-mgorman@techsingularity.net>
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 03:30:38PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> For a single LLC per node, a NUMA imbalance is allowed up until 25%
> of CPUs sharing a node could be active. One intent of the cut-off is
> to avoid an imbalance of memory channels but there is no topological
> information based on active memory channels. Furthermore, there can
> be differences between nodes depending on the number of populated
> DIMMs.
>
> A cut-off of 25% was arbitrary but generally worked. It does have a severe
> corner cases though when an parallel workload is using 25% of all available
> CPUs over-saturates memory channels. This can happen due to the initial
> forking of tasks that get pulled more to one node after early wakeups
> (e.g. a barrier synchronisation) that is not quickly corrected by the
> load balancer. The LB may fail to act quickly as the parallel tasks are
> considered to be poor migrate candidates due to locality or cache hotness.
>
> On a range of modern Intel CPUs, 12.5% appears to be a better cut-off
> assuming all memory channels are populated and is used as the new cut-off
> point. A minimum of 1 is specified to allow a communicating pair to
> remain local even for CPUs with low numbers of cores. For modern AMDs,
> there are multiple LLCs and are not affected.
Can the hardware tell us about memory channels?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-05-18 9:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-05-11 14:30 [PATCH 0/4] Mitigate inconsistent NUMA imbalance behaviour Mel Gorman
2022-05-11 14:30 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/numa: Initialise numa_migrate_retry Mel Gorman
2022-05-11 14:30 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/numa: Do not swap tasks between nodes when spare capacity is available Mel Gorman
2022-05-11 14:30 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/numa: Apply imbalance limitations consistently Mel Gorman
2022-05-18 9:24 ` [sched/numa] bb2dee337b: unixbench.score -11.2% regression kernel test robot
2022-05-18 15:22 ` Mel Gorman
2022-05-19 7:54 ` ying.huang
2022-05-20 6:44 ` [LKP] " Ying Huang
2022-05-18 9:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/numa: Apply imbalance limitations consistently Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-18 10:46 ` Mel Gorman
2022-05-18 13:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-18 15:39 ` Mel Gorman
2022-05-11 14:30 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/numa: Adjust imb_numa_nr to a better approximation of memory channels Mel Gorman
2022-05-18 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-05-18 11:15 ` Mel Gorman
2022-05-18 14:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-18 17:06 ` Mel Gorman
2022-05-19 9:29 ` Mel Gorman
2022-05-20 4:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] Mitigate inconsistent NUMA imbalance behaviour K Prateek Nayak
2022-05-20 10:18 ` Mel Gorman
2022-05-20 15:17 ` K Prateek Nayak
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-05-20 10:35 [PATCH v2 " Mel Gorman
2022-05-20 10:35 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/numa: Adjust imb_numa_nr to a better approximation of memory channels Mel Gorman
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