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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Seth Jenkins <sethjenkins@google.com>,
	"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exit: Put an upper limit on how often we can oops
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 09:24:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202211080923.8BAEA9980@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez2-xUawSs4ji_+0Bnyn_QTiS930UiOypXreU_RhwhVo_w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 10:48:20PM +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 10:15 PM Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 09:13:17PM +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > +oops_limit
> > > +==========
> > > +
> > > +Number of kernel oopses after which the kernel should panic when
> > > +``panic_on_oops`` is not set.
> >
> > Rather than introduce this separate oops_limit, how about making
> > panic_on_oops (and maybe all panic_on_*) take the limit value(s) instead
> > of being Boolean?  I think this would preserve the current behavior at
> > panic_on_oops = 0 and panic_on_oops = 1, but would introduce your
> > desired behavior at panic_on_oops = 10000.  We can make 10000 the new
> > default.  If a distro overrides panic_on_oops, it probably sets it to 1
> > like RHEL does.
> >
> > Are there distros explicitly setting panic_on_oops to 0?  If so, that
> > could be a reason to introduce the separate oops_limit.
> >
> > I'm not advocating one way or the other - I just felt this should be
> > explicitly mentioned and decided on.
> 
> I think at least internally in the kernel, it probably works better to
> keep those two concepts separate? For example, sparc has a function
> die_nmi() that uses panic_on_oops to determine whether the system
> should panic when a watchdog detects a lockup.

Internally, yes, the kernel should keep "panic_on_oops" to mean "panic
_NOW_ on oops?" but I would agree with Solar -- this is a counter as far
as userspace is concerned. "Panic on Oops" after 1 oops, 2, oopses, etc.
I would like to see this for panic_on_warn too, actually.

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-08 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-07 20:13 [PATCH] exit: Put an upper limit on how often we can oops Jann Horn
2022-11-07 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-07 21:14 ` Solar Designer
2022-11-07 21:48   ` Jann Horn
2022-11-08 17:24     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2022-11-08 19:38       ` Kees Cook
2022-11-09 16:19         ` Solar Designer
2022-11-08  9:26 ` David Laight
2022-11-08 14:53   ` Jann Horn
2022-11-09  9:04     ` David Laight
2022-11-09  9:33       ` Jann Horn
2022-11-09 15:59         ` Seth Jenkins
2022-11-08 17:22 ` Kees Cook

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