From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com>,
linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
Seth Jenkins <sethjenkins@google.com>,
"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exit: Put an upper limit on how often we can oops
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 11:38:22 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202211081100.AA81FBE964@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202211080923.8BAEA9980@keescook>
On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 09:24:40AM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 10:48:20PM +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 10:15 PM Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 09:13:17PM +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > > +oops_limit
> > > > +==========
> > > > +
> > > > +Number of kernel oopses after which the kernel should panic when
> > > > +``panic_on_oops`` is not set.
> > >
> > > Rather than introduce this separate oops_limit, how about making
> > > panic_on_oops (and maybe all panic_on_*) take the limit value(s) instead
> > > of being Boolean? I think this would preserve the current behavior at
> > > panic_on_oops = 0 and panic_on_oops = 1, but would introduce your
> > > desired behavior at panic_on_oops = 10000. We can make 10000 the new
> > > default. If a distro overrides panic_on_oops, it probably sets it to 1
> > > like RHEL does.
> > >
> > > Are there distros explicitly setting panic_on_oops to 0? If so, that
> > > could be a reason to introduce the separate oops_limit.
> > >
> > > I'm not advocating one way or the other - I just felt this should be
> > > explicitly mentioned and decided on.
> >
> > I think at least internally in the kernel, it probably works better to
> > keep those two concepts separate? For example, sparc has a function
> > die_nmi() that uses panic_on_oops to determine whether the system
> > should panic when a watchdog detects a lockup.
>
> Internally, yes, the kernel should keep "panic_on_oops" to mean "panic
> _NOW_ on oops?" but I would agree with Solar -- this is a counter as far
> as userspace is concerned. "Panic on Oops" after 1 oops, 2, oopses, etc.
> I would like to see this for panic_on_warn too, actually.
Hm, in looking at this more closely, I think it does make sense as you
already have it. The count is for the panic_on_oops=0 case, so even in
userspace, trying to remap that doesn't make a bunch of sense. So, yes,
let's keep this as-is.
--
Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-08 19:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-07 20:13 [PATCH] exit: Put an upper limit on how often we can oops Jann Horn
2022-11-07 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-07 21:14 ` Solar Designer
2022-11-07 21:48 ` Jann Horn
2022-11-08 17:24 ` Kees Cook
2022-11-08 19:38 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2022-11-09 16:19 ` Solar Designer
2022-11-08 9:26 ` David Laight
2022-11-08 14:53 ` Jann Horn
2022-11-09 9:04 ` David Laight
2022-11-09 9:33 ` Jann Horn
2022-11-09 15:59 ` Seth Jenkins
2022-11-08 17:22 ` Kees Cook
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