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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <quic_neeraju@quicinc.com>,
	Pengfei Xu <pengfei.xu@intel.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] rcu-tasks: Fix synchronize_rcu_tasks() VS zap_pid_ns_processes()
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 21:01:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221207200155.GA1840475@lothringen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221206164927.GD3866@redhat.com>

On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 05:49:28PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 11/30, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >
> > 2) I keep thinking zap_pid_ns_processes() should be changed so that
> >    after it sends SIGKILL to all of the relevant processes to not wait,
> 
> At least I think it should not wait for the tasks injected into this ns.
> 
> Because this looks like a kernel bug even if we forget about this deadlock.
> 
> Say we create a task P using clone(CLONE_NEWPID), then inject a task T into
> P's pid-namespace via setns/fork. This make the process P "unkillable", it
> will hang in zap_pid_ns_processes() "forever" until T->parent reaps a zombie
> task T killed by P.

I think this was made that way on purpose, see the comment in
zap_pid_ns_processes():

	/*
	 * kernel_wait4() misses EXIT_DEAD children, and EXIT_ZOMBIE
	 * process whose parents processes are outside of the pid
	 * namespace.  Such processes are created with setns()+fork().
	 *
	 * If those EXIT_ZOMBIE processes are not reaped by their
	 * parents before their parents exit, they will be reparented
	 * to pid_ns->child_reaper.  Thus pidns->child_reaper needs to
	 * stay valid until they all go away.
	 *
	 * The code relies on the pid_ns->child_reaper ignoring
	 * SIGCHILD to cause those EXIT_ZOMBIE processes to be
	 * autoreaped if reparented.
	 *
	 * Semantically it is also desirable to wait for EXIT_ZOMBIE
	 * processes before allowing the child_reaper to be reaped, as
	 * that gives the invariant that when the init process of a
	 * pid namespace is reaped all of the processes in the pid
	 * namespace are gone.

I can't say I like the fact that a parent not belonging to a new namespace
can create more than one child within that namespace but anyway this all look
like an ABI that can't be reverted now.

Thanks.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-12-07 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-25 13:54 [PATCH 0/3] rcu-tasks: Fix race against exiting pid_ns Frederic Weisbecker
2022-11-25 13:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu-tasks: Improve comments explaining tasks_rcu_exit_srcu purpose Frederic Weisbecker
2022-11-25 13:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] rcu-tasks: Remove preemption disablement around srcu_read_[un]lock() calls Frederic Weisbecker
2022-11-25 13:55 ` [PATCH 3/3] rcu-tasks: Fix synchronize_rcu_tasks() VS zap_pid_ns_processes() Frederic Weisbecker
2022-11-30 18:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-12-02 19:51     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-02 22:54     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-02 23:28       ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-12-04  0:03         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-06 16:49     ` Oleg Nesterov
2022-12-07 14:34       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-07 20:01       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2022-12-07 20:39         ` Oleg Nesterov
2022-12-09 20:26           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-11-29  0:22 ` [PATCH 0/3] rcu-tasks: Fix race against exiting pid_ns Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-29  9:55   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-11-29 14:48     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-02 22:55       ` Frederic Weisbecker

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