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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] srcu: Remove pre-flip memory barrier
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 13:40:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221220124033.GA22763@lothringen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221220123443.GA21796@lothringen>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 01:34:43PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 11:07:17PM -0500, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 2:13 PM Joel Fernandes (Google)
> > <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, I believe the pre-flip memory barrier is not required. The only reason I
> > > can say to remove it, other than the possibility that it is unnecessary, is to
> > > not have extra code that does not help. However, since we are issuing a fully
> > > memory-barrier after the flip, I cannot say that it hurts to do it anyway.
> > >
> > > For this reason, please consider these patches as "informational", than a
> > > "please merge". :-) Though, feel free to consider merging if you agree!
> > >
> > > All SRCU scenarios pass with these, with 6 hours of testing.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > >  - Joel
> > >
> > > Joel Fernandes (Google) (2):
> > > srcu: Remove comment about prior read lock counts
> > > srcu: Remove memory barrier "E" as it is not required
> > 
> > And litmus tests confirm that "E" does not really do what the comments
> > say, PTAL:
> > Test 1:
> > C mbe
> > (*
> >  * Result: sometimes
> >  * Does previous scan see old reader's lock count, if a new reader saw
> > the new srcu_idx?
> >  *)
> > 
> > {}
> > 
> > P0(int *lockcount, int *srcu_idx) // updater
> > {
> >         int r0;
> >         r0 = READ_ONCE(*lockcount);
> >         smp_mb();       // E
> >         WRITE_ONCE(*srcu_idx, 1);
> > }
> > 
> > P1(int *lockcount, int *srcu_idx) // reader
> > {
> >         int r0;
> >         WRITE_ONCE(*lockcount, 1); // previous reader
> >         smp_mb();       // B+C
> >         r0 = READ_ONCE(*srcu_idx); // new reader
> > }
> > exists (0:r0=0 /\ 1:r0=1) (* Bad outcome. *)
> > 
> > Test 2:
> > C mbe2
> > 
> > (*
> >  * Result: sometimes
> >  * If updater saw reader's lock count, was that reader using the old idx?
> >  *)
> > 
> > {}
> > 
> > P0(int *lockcount, int *srcu_idx) // updater
> > {
> >         int r0;
> >         r0 = READ_ONCE(*lockcount);
> >         smp_mb();       // E
> >         WRITE_ONCE(*srcu_idx, 1);
> > }
> > 
> > P1(int *lockcount, int *srcu_idx) // reader
> > {
> >         int r0;
> >         int r1;
> >         r1 = READ_ONCE(*srcu_idx); // previous reader
> >         WRITE_ONCE(*lockcount, 1); // previous reader
> >         smp_mb();       // B+C
> >         r0 = READ_ONCE(*srcu_idx); // new reader
> > }
> > exists (0:r0=1 /\ 1:r1=1) (* Bad outcome. *)
> 
> Actually, starring at this some more, there is some form of dependency
> on the idx in order to build the address where the reader must write the
> lockcount to. Litmus doesn't support arrays but assuming that
> &ssp->sda->srcu_lock_count == 0 (note the & in the beginning), it
> could be modelized that way (I'm eluding the unlock part to simplify):
> 
> ---
> C w-depend-r
> 
> {
> 	PLOCK=LOCK0;
> }
> 
> // updater
> P0(int *LOCK0, int *LOCK1, int **PLOCK)
> {
> 	int lock1;
> 
> 	lock1 = READ_ONCE(*LOCK1); // READ from inactive idx
> 	smp_mb();
> 	WRITE_ONCE(*PLOCK, LOCK1); // Flip idx
> }
> 
> // reader
> P1(int **PLOCK)
> {
> 	int *plock;
> 
> 	plock = READ_ONCE(*PLOCK); 	// Read active idx
> 	WRITE_ONCE(*plock, 1); // Write to active idx
> }
> 
> exists (0:lock0=1) // never happens

That's lock1=1, lemme do it again:

C w-depend-r

{
	PLOCK=LOCK0;
}

// updater
P0(int *LOCK1, int **PLOCK)
{
	int lock1;

	lock1 = READ_ONCE(*LOCK1); // READ from inactive idx
	smp_mb();
	WRITE_ONCE(*PLOCK, LOCK1); // Flip idx
}

// reader
P1(int **PLOCK)
{
	int *plock;

	plock = READ_ONCE(*PLOCK); 	// Read active idx
	WRITE_ONCE(*plock, 1); // Write to active idx
}

exists (0:lock1=1) (* never *)

  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-20 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-18 19:13 [RFC 0/2] srcu: Remove pre-flip memory barrier Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-12-18 19:13 ` [RFC 1/2] srcu: Remove comment about prior read lock counts Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-12-18 21:08   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-18 21:19     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-18 19:13 ` [RFC 2/2] srcu: Remove memory barrier "E" as it is not required Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-12-18 21:42   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-18 23:26     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-19  0:30       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-18 20:57 ` [RFC 0/2] srcu: Remove pre-flip memory barrier Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-18 21:30   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-18 23:26     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-18 23:38     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-19  0:04       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-19  0:24         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-19  1:50           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-20  0:55             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20  1:04               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20 17:00                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-20 18:05                   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20 18:14                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-20 18:29                       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20 19:01                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-20 19:06                           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20 23:05                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-20 23:46                               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21  0:27                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-20 22:57                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21  3:34                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-21 11:59                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21 17:11                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-22 12:40                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-22 13:19                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-22 16:43                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-22 18:19                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-22 18:53                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-22 18:56                                           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-22 19:45                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-23  4:43                                               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-23 16:12                                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-23 18:15                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-23 20:10                                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-23 20:52                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-20 20:55                         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21  3:52                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-21  5:02                             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21  0:07                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21  3:47                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-20  4:07 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20 12:34   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-20 12:40     ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2022-12-20 13:44       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20 14:07         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-20 14:20           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-20 22:44             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21  0:15               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21  0:49                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21  0:58                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21  3:43                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-21  4:26                       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21 14:04                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21 16:30                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-21 12:11                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21 17:20                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2022-12-21 18:18                           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21  2:41                   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21 11:26                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21 16:02                       ` Boqun Feng
2022-12-21 17:30                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-21 19:33                           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21 19:57                             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-12-21 20:19                           ` Boqun Feng
2022-12-22 12:16                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-12-22 12:24                               ` Frederic Weisbecker

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