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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: "André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>
Cc: "Marek Olšák" <maraeo@gmail.com>,
	pierre-eric.pelloux-prayer@amd.com,
	"Sebastian Wick" <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>,
	"Michel Dänzer" <michel.daenzer@mailbox.org>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Timur Kristóf" <timur.kristof@gmail.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	alexander.deucher@amd.com,
	"Samuel Pitoiset" <samuel.pitoiset@gmail.com>,
	kernel-dev@igalia.com, christian.koenig@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/1] drm/doc: Document DRM device reset expectations
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 10:42:56 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230704104256.658b259d@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cedc57a5-779a-3ec6-cfbd-f51dfb17f2dc@igalia.com>

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On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 12:00:22 -0300
André Almeida <andrealmeid@igalia.com> wrote:

> Em 03/07/2023 05:49, Pekka Paalanen escreveu:

> > If an application freezes, that's "no problem"; the end user can just
> > continue using everything else. Alt-tab away etc. if the app was
> > fullscreen. I do that already with games on even Xorg.
> > 
> > If a display server freezes, that's a desktop-wide problem, but so is
> > killing it.
> >   
> 
> Interesting, what GPU do you use? In my experience (AMD RX 5600 XT), 
> hanging the GPU usually means that the rest of applications/compositor 
> can't use the GPU either, freezing all user interactions. So killing the 
> guilty app is one effective solution currently, but ignoring calls may 
> help as well.

I don't know if what I'm seeing is a GPU hang or just e.g. Proton
getting somehow stuck, all I see is a game freezing. I just Alt+tab
back to Steam, force-stop it, and then all is fine again. This is how
it should work regardless of why a game freezes.

However, even if it was a GPU hang, if I am on a display server that
actually handles GPU resets, I don't see why the rest of the desktop
would not be able to recover. Individual apps are each to their own,
but at the very least non-GPU apps and the DE itself should not have
any problem (DE components can simply be restarted automatically).


Thanks,
pq

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-04  7:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-27 13:23 [PATCH v5 1/1] drm/doc: Document DRM device reset expectations André Almeida
2023-06-27 16:09 ` Randy Dunlap
2023-06-27 17:47 ` Christian König
2023-06-27 21:17   ` André Almeida
2023-06-29 13:11     ` André Almeida
     [not found] ` <CAAxE2A4Hquz9bJNSEaUtBoJC3qbLBPYXd8i3JX9AhNUx_iUKpg@mail.gmail.com>
2023-06-27 21:31   ` André Almeida
2023-06-30 14:48 ` Sebastian Wick
2023-06-30 14:59   ` Alex Deucher
2023-06-30 15:11     ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]       ` <CAAxE2A5C96k5ua+r938VA_+w7gHHNTdF3n8LwDb98W0Bf9wCVA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-03  7:12         ` Michel Dänzer
2023-07-03  8:49           ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-07-03 15:00             ` André Almeida
2023-07-04  7:42               ` Pekka Paalanen [this message]
     [not found]           ` <CAAxE2A7RGDY4eRC85CsqfszNzyKvMU2MX1wa+3HZ1hgNeAw3cQ@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-04  2:38             ` Randy Dunlap
     [not found]               ` <CAAxE2A5UizddTTBWtuL480bDxgniVcBq7fjRGQhoC-5FG9vKpA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-04  2:48                 ` Randy Dunlap
2023-07-04  7:54             ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]               ` <CAAxE2A7tNCWkL_M2YcE=RN+nqqcokgBR4hcD2sR3fGAY2t4uLg@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-05  7:32                 ` Michel Dänzer
2023-07-05 15:53                   ` Marek Olšák
2023-06-30 15:21     ` Sebastian Wick
2023-07-25  2:55 ` Non-robust apps and resets (was Re: [PATCH v5 1/1] drm/doc: Document DRM device reset expectations) André Almeida
2023-07-25  7:02   ` Simon Ser
2023-07-25  8:03   ` Michel Dänzer
2023-07-25 13:02     ` André Almeida
2023-07-26  8:07       ` Michel Dänzer
2023-08-02  7:38         ` Marek Olšák
2023-08-02  8:34           ` Michel Dänzer
2023-07-25 15:05     ` Marek Olšák
2023-07-25 17:00       ` Michel Dänzer
2023-07-26  7:55         ` Timur Kristóf
2023-08-04 13:03 ` [PATCH v5 1/1] drm/doc: Document DRM device reset expectations Daniel Vetter
2023-08-08 12:13   ` Sebastian Wick
2023-08-08 17:03     ` Marek Olšák
2023-08-09  7:35       ` Michel Dänzer
2023-08-09 19:15         ` Marek Olšák
2023-08-10  7:33           ` Michel Dänzer

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