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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: "Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@microsoft.com>
Cc: Petr Tesarik <petrtesarik@huaweicloud.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
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	"petr@tesarici.cz" <petr@tesarici.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] swiotlb: if swiotlb is full, fall back to a transient memory pool
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 09:07:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2023070626-boxcar-bubbly-471d@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR21MB1688AAC65852E75764F53099D72CA@BYAPR21MB1688.namprd21.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 03:50:55AM +0000, Michael Kelley (LINUX) wrote:
> From: Petr Tesarik <petrtesarik@huaweicloud.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:54 AM
> > 
> > Try to allocate a transient memory pool if no suitable slots can be found,
> > except when allocating from a restricted pool. The transient pool is just
> > enough big for this one bounce buffer. It is inserted into a per-device
> > list of transient memory pools, and it is freed again when the bounce
> > buffer is unmapped.
> > 
> > Transient memory pools are kept in an RCU list. A memory barrier is
> > required after adding a new entry, because any address within a transient
> > buffer must be immediately recognized as belonging to the SWIOTLB, even if
> > it is passed to another CPU.
> > 
> > Deletion does not require any synchronization beyond RCU ordering
> > guarantees. After a buffer is unmapped, its physical addresses may no
> > longer be passed to the DMA API, so the memory range of the corresponding
> > stale entry in the RCU list never matches. If the memory range gets
> > allocated again, then it happens only after a RCU quiescent state.
> > 
> > Since bounce buffers can now be allocated from different pools, add a
> > parameter to swiotlb_alloc_pool() to let the caller know which memory pool
> > is used. Add swiotlb_find_pool() to find the memory pool corresponding to
> > an address. This function is now also used by is_swiotlb_buffer(), because
> > a simple boundary check is no longer sufficient.
> > 
> > The logic in swiotlb_alloc_tlb() is taken from __dma_direct_alloc_pages(),
> > simplified and enhanced to use coherent memory pools if needed.
> > 
> > Note that this is not the most efficient way to provide a bounce buffer,
> > but when a DMA buffer can't be mapped, something may (and will) actually
> > break. At that point it is better to make an allocation, even if it may be
> > an expensive operation.
> 
> I continue to think about swiotlb memory management from the standpoint
> of CoCo VMs that may be quite large with high network and storage loads.
> These VMs are often running mission-critical workloads that can't tolerate
> a bounce buffer allocation failure.  To prevent such failures, the swiotlb
> memory size must be overly large, which wastes memory.

If "mission critical workloads" are in a vm that allowes overcommit and
no control over other vms in that same system, then you have worse
problems, sorry.

Just don't do that.

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-06  8:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-27  9:54 [PATCH v3 0/7] Allow dynamic allocation of software IO TLB bounce buffers Petr Tesarik
2023-06-27  9:54 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] swiotlb: make io_tlb_default_mem local to swiotlb.c Petr Tesarik
2023-06-27 10:24   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-06-27 10:55     ` Robin Murphy
2023-06-27 11:11       ` Petr Tesařík
2023-06-27 11:30       ` Petr Tesařík
2023-06-27 15:48         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-27 17:24           ` Petr Tesařík
2023-06-27  9:54 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] swiotlb: add documentation and rename swiotlb_do_find_slots() Petr Tesarik
2023-06-27  9:54 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] swiotlb: separate memory pool data from other allocator data Petr Tesarik
2023-06-27  9:54 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] swiotlb: if swiotlb is full, fall back to a transient memory pool Petr Tesarik
2023-07-06  3:50   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2023-07-06  8:07     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2023-07-06 14:22       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2023-07-07  9:29         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-07-07 10:22           ` Petr Tesařík
2023-07-08 15:18             ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2023-07-10  9:36               ` Petr Tesařík
2023-07-11 15:54                 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2023-06-27  9:54 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] swiotlb: determine potential physical address limit Petr Tesarik
2023-06-27  9:54 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] swiotlb: allocate a new memory pool when existing pools are full Petr Tesarik
2023-06-27  9:54 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] swiotlb: search the software IO TLB only if a device makes use of it Petr Tesarik

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