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From: Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>
To: Yunhui Cui <cuiyunhui@bytedance.com>
Cc: sunilvl@ventanamicro.com, ardb@kernel.org, palmer@dabbelt.com,
	paul.walmsley@sifive.com, aou@eecs.berkeley.edu,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, rminnich@gmail.com,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, lpieralisi@kernel.org, rafael@kernel.org,
	lenb@kernel.org, jdelvare@suse.com, yc.hung@mediatek.com,
	angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com,
	allen-kh.cheng@mediatek.com,
	pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com, tinghan.shen@mediatek.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	geshijian@bytedance.com, weidong.wd@bytedance.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] dt-bindings: firmware: Document ffitbl binding
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 17:16:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230707-brigade-myth-86ee252b2e4a@spud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230705114251.661-5-cuiyunhui@bytedance.com>

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Hey,

On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 07:42:51PM +0800, Yunhui Cui wrote:
> Add the description for ffitbl subnode.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Yunhui Cui <cuiyunhui@bytedance.com>
> ---
>  .../devicetree/bindings/firmware/ffitbl.txt   | 27 +++++++++++++++++++
>  MAINTAINERS                                   |  1 +
>  2 files changed, 28 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/firmware/ffitbl.txt
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/firmware/ffitbl.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/firmware/ffitbl.txt
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..c42368626199
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/firmware/ffitbl.txt
> @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@
> +FFI(FDT FIRMWARE INTERFACE) driver
> +
> +Required properties:
> + - entry		: acpi or smbios root pointer, u64
> + - reg			: acpi or smbios version, u32
> +
> +Some bootloaders, such as Coreboot do not support EFI,
> +only devicetree and some arches do not have a reserved
> +address segment. Add "ffitbl" subnode to obtain ACPI RSDP
> +and SMBIOS entry.

Since the conversation on this stuff all seems to be going absolutely
nowhere, the ACPI portion of this is intended for use on RISC-V in
violation of the RISC-V ACPI specs. It also goes against the
requirements of the platform spec. Quoting from [1]:

| > Just so we're all on the same page, I just now asked Mark Himelstein
| > of RISC-V International if there is anything in RISC-V standards that
| > requires UEFI, and the answer is a solid "no."
| 
| Huh? Firstly, running off to invoke RVI is not productive - they don't
| maintain the various operating system kernels etc.
| Secondly, that does not seem to be true. The platform spec mandates UEFI
| for the OS-A server platform, alongside ACPI:
| https://github.com/riscv/riscv-platform-specs/blob/main/riscv-platform-spec.adoc#32-boot-process
| and the OS-A embedded platform needs to comply with EBBR & use DT:
| https://github.com/riscv/riscv-platform-specs/blob/main/riscv-platform-spec.adoc#32-boot-process
| 
| EBBR does say that systems must not provide both ACPI and DT to the OS
| loader, but I am far from an expert on these kind of things & am not
| sure where something like this where the DT "contains" ACPI would stand.
| 
| The RISC-V ACPI spec also says "UEFI firmware is mandatory to support
| ACPI":
| https://github.com/riscv-non-isa/riscv-acpi/blob/master/riscv-acpi-guidance.adoc

NAKed-by: Conor Dooley <conor.dooley@microchip.com>

Cheers,
Conor.

[1] - https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20230707-attach-conjuror-306d967347ce@wendy/

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-07-07 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-05 11:42 [PATCH v3 0/4] Obtain SMBIOS and ACPI entry from FFI Yunhui Cui
2023-07-05 11:42 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] riscv: obtain ACPI RSDP from devicetree Yunhui Cui
2023-07-05 11:42 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] firmware: introduce FFI for SMBIOS entry Yunhui Cui
2023-07-05 11:42 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] riscv: obtain SMBIOS entry from FFI Yunhui Cui
2023-07-05 11:42 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] dt-bindings: firmware: Document ffitbl binding Yunhui Cui
2023-07-05 15:06   ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-06  3:43     ` [External] " 运辉崔
2023-07-06  6:00       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-07-06  6:24         ` 运辉崔
2023-07-06  6:41           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-07-06  6:55             ` 运辉崔
2023-07-06  6:44       ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-06  9:02         ` 运辉崔
2023-07-07 16:16   ` Conor Dooley [this message]
     [not found]     ` <CAN3iYbP_dQOOJKLjAf+pVeYUZRBqwZBG7eq6=pR0upsjT2GpOA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-08  3:04       ` 运辉崔
2023-07-08  8:09         ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-05 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Obtain SMBIOS and ACPI entry from FFI Palmer Dabbelt
2023-07-05 15:33   ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-06  2:04   ` [External] " 运辉崔
2023-07-06  8:53     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-07-06 15:32       ` Palmer Dabbelt
     [not found]         ` <CAP6exYKwZG=_47r0jAUFYNL5-P-SS==k6vWdKiMJ9nB0upH5Zw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-06 21:47           ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-06 21:53             ` ron minnich
2023-07-07  8:38           ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-07 10:43             ` Sunil V L
     [not found]               ` <CAN3iYbMhQU5Ng4r6_rQDnLmit1GCmheC5T49rsUP5NgHFEXsHA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-07 12:55                 ` Sunil V L
     [not found]                   ` <CAN3iYbOe+i4jVhz0sSQwVQ2PMB7UvaTPyN_sLtZj0uiOD2emDA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-07-07 16:07                     ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-07 16:18                       ` 葛士建
     [not found]                       ` <DBAPR08MB5783AED8329E38D840B7015D9C2DA@DBAPR08MB5783.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
2023-07-07 16:24                         ` Conor Dooley
2023-07-08  8:45                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-07-08 12:03                           ` Sunil V L
2023-07-08 15:19                           ` Dong Wei
2023-07-08 16:26                           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-07-10 16:03                           ` 葛士建
2023-09-07 12:15                             ` yunhui cui
     [not found]                       ` <DBAPR08MB57836AE63A1F5D3902B95BFE9C2DA@DBAPR08MB5783.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
2023-07-08  3:22                         ` 运辉崔
2023-07-08  3:58                           ` [External] " Jessica Clarke
2023-07-08  9:25                             ` 运辉崔

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