From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72897EB64DD for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 16:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231528AbjGLQ5a (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Jul 2023 12:57:30 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:53840 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232066AbjGLQ52 (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Jul 2023 12:57:28 -0400 Received: from verein.lst.de (verein.lst.de [213.95.11.211]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A30810C7 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by verein.lst.de (Postfix, from userid 2407) id E0D3067373; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 18:57:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 18:57:21 +0200 From: Christoph Hellwig To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Linux regressions mailing list , Pankaj Raghav , Keith Busch , Bagas Sanjaya , Jens Axboe , Sagi Grimberg , "Clemens S." , Martin Belanger , Chaitanya Kulkarni , John Meneghini , Hannes Reinecke , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux NVMe , Kanchan Joshi , Javier Gonzalez , =?utf-8?B?67CV7KeE7ZmY?= Subject: Re: Fwd: Need NVME QUIRK BOGUS for SAMSUNG MZ1WV480HCGL-000MV (Samsung SM-953 Datacenter SSD) Message-ID: <20230712165721.GA31965@lst.de> References: <6f333133-2cc4-406a-d6c2-642ac6ccabca@leemhuis.info> <462e0e1e-98ea-0f3c-4aaa-8d44f0a8e664@leemhuis.info> <20230711120609.GB27050@lst.de> <20230712164546.GA31434@lst.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 09:51:52AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 at 09:45, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 09:47:00AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > > and we have NEVER EVER seen devices with reliably unique IDs. Really. > > > > Sorry, but that's bullshit. > > Christoph, you are *literally* involved in a discussion where this is the case. Yes. But that's not never ever. Enterprise storage devices have been pretty very good at it, because it is part of the purchase specs. So don't claim NEVER EVER, which is just BS. Claim we've been way to optimistic in that even cheap devices would get something so basic, and you're spot on.