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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	g@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net
Cc: Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Gautham R. Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Stopping the tick on a fully loaded system
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:59:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230727075922.GA3886590@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230726161432.GW4253@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 06:14:32PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 05:53:46PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > > > That means we don't track nearly enough data to reliably tell anything
> > > > about disabling the tick or not. We should have at least one bucket
> > > > beyond TICK_NSEC for this.
> > >
> > > Quite likely.
> > 
> > So the reasoning here was that those additional bins would not be
> > necessary for idle state selection, but the problem of whether or not
> > to stop the tick is kind of separate from the idle state selection
> > problem if the target residency values for all of the idle states are
> > relatively short.  And so it should be addressed separately which
> > currently it is not.  Admittedly, this is a mistake.
> 
> Right, the C state buckets are enough to pick a state, but not to handle
> the tick thing.
> 
> The below hack boots on my ivb-ep with extra (disabled) states. Now let
> me go hack up teo to make use of that.
> 
> name		residency
> 
> POLL		0
> C1              1
> C1E             80
> C3              156
> C6              300
> TICK            1000
> POST-TICK       2000
> 

Ah, so last night (or rather, somewhat realy today) I realized I has the
buckets wrong.

We don't have buckets to the left, but buckets to the right, so the
above would give:

0: [0,1)
1: [1,80)
2: [80,156)
3: [156,300)
4: [300,1000)
5: [1000,2000)
6: [2000,...)

Which also means I can ditch the whole POST-TICK bucket. Let me get
breakfast and try all this again.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-07-27  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-20  6:51 Stopping the tick on a fully loaded system Anna-Maria Behnsen
2023-07-20  7:38 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-07-20 13:00   ` Anna-Maria Behnsen
2023-07-20 13:55     ` Vincent Guittot
2023-07-23 21:21     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-07-24  8:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-25 13:07         ` Anna-Maria Behnsen
2023-07-25 14:27           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-25 22:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-26 15:10               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-26 15:53                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-26 16:14                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-26 16:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-26 21:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-27  7:59                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-07-27 20:10                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-26 16:40               ` Anna-Maria Behnsen
2023-07-26 18:30                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-26 20:09                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-26 10:59             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-07-26 15:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-26 10:47           ` Frederic Weisbecker

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