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Tsirkin" To: Jason Gunthorpe Cc: Cindy Lu , jasowang@redhat.com, yi.l.liu@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC v1 0/8] vhost-vdpa: add support for iommufd Message-ID: <20231109183407-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> References: <20231103171641.1703146-1-lulu@redhat.com> <20231107022847-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20231107124902.GJ4488@nvidia.com> <20231107082343-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20231107141237.GO4488@nvidia.com> <20231107092551-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20231107155217.GQ4488@nvidia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20231107155217.GQ4488@nvidia.com> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 11:52:17AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 09:30:21AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 10:12:37AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > Big company's should take the responsibility to train and provide > > > skill development for their own staff. > > > > That would result in a beautiful cathedral of a patch. I know this is > > how some companies work. We are doing more of a bazaar thing here, > > though. In a bunch of subsystems it seems that you don't get the > > necessary skills until you have been publically shouted at by > > maintainers - better to start early ;). Not a nice environment for > > novices, for sure. > > In my view the "shouting from maintainers" is harmful to the people > buidling skills and it is an unkind thing to dump employees into that > kind of situation. > > They should have help to establish the basic level of competence where > they may do the wrong thing, but all the process and presentation of > the wrong thing is top notch. You get a much better reception. > > Jason What - like e.g. mechanically fixing checkpatch warnings without understanding? I actually very much dislike it when people take a bad patch and just polish the presentation - it is easier for me if I can judge patch quality quickly from the presentation. Matter of taste I guess. -- MST