From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Cc: James Clark <james.clark@arm.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
Thomas Richter <tmricht@linux.ibm.com>,
Hendrik Brueckner <brueckner@linux.ibm.com>,
Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
Mike Leach <mike.leach@linaro.org>,
coresight@lists.linaro.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Yicong Yang <yangyicong@hisilicon.com>,
Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/3] perf/x86/intel/pt: Add support for pause_resume()
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:23:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231129122320.GH30650@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <842ce784-fbd2-4667-a5f7-aaa10a1108dc@intel.com>
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 01:15:43PM +0200, Adrian Hunter wrote:
> On 29/11/23 12:58, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 09:53:39AM +0000, James Clark wrote:
> >> On 23/11/2023 12:18, Adrian Hunter wrote:
> >
> >>> +static void pt_event_pause_resume(struct perf_event *event)
> >>> +{
> >>> + if (event->aux_paused)
> >>> + pt_config_stop(event);
> >>> + else if (!event->hw.state)
> >>> + pt_config_start(event);
> >>> +}
> >>
> >> It seems like having a single pause/resume callback rather than separate
> >> pause and resume ones pushes some of the event state management into the
> >> individual drivers and would be prone to code duplication and divergent
> >> behavior.
> >>
> >> Would it be possible to move the conditions from here into the core code
> >> and call separate functions instead?
> >>
> >>> +
> >>> static void pt_event_start(struct perf_event *event, int mode)
> >>> {
> >>> struct hw_perf_event *hwc = &event->hw;
> >>> @@ -1798,6 +1809,7 @@ static __init int pt_init(void)
> >>> pt_pmu.pmu.del = pt_event_del;
> >>> pt_pmu.pmu.start = pt_event_start;
> >>> pt_pmu.pmu.stop = pt_event_stop;
> >>> + pt_pmu.pmu.pause_resume = pt_event_pause_resume;
> >>
> >> The general idea seems ok to me. Is there a reason to not use the
> >> existing start() stop() callbacks, rather than adding a new one?
> >>
> >> I assume it's intended to be something like an optimisation where you
> >> can turn it on and off without having to do the full setup, teardown and
> >> emit an AUX record because you know the process being traced never gets
> >> switched out?
> >
> > So the actual scheduling uses ->add() / ->del(), the ->start() /
> > ->stop() methods are something that can be used after ->add() and before
> > ->del() to 'temporarily' pause things.
> >
> > Pretty much exactly what is required here I think. We currently use this
> > for PMI throttling and adaptive frequency stuff, but there is no reason
> > it could not also be used for this.
> >
> > As is, we don't track the paused state across ->del() / ->add(), but
> > perhaps that can be fixed. We can easily add more PERF_EF_ / PERF_HES_
> > bits to manage things.
> >
> >
>
> I am not sure stop / start play nice with NMI's from other events e.g.
>
> PMC NMI wants to pause or resume AUX but what if AUX event is currently
> being processed in ->stop() or ->start()? Or maybe that can't happen?
I think that can happen, and pt_event_stop() can actually handle some of
that, while your pause_resume() thing, which uses pt_config_stop() does
not.
But yes, I think that if you add pt_event_{stop,start}() calls from
*other* events their PMI, then you get to deal with more 'fun'.
Something like:
perf_addr_filters_adjust()
__perf_addr_filters_adjust()
perf_event_stop()
__perf_event_stop()
event->pmu->stop()
<NMI>
...
perf_event_overflow()
pt_event->pmu->stop()
</NMI>
event->pmu->start() // whoopsie!
Should now be possible.
I think what you want to do is rename pt->handle_nmi into pt->stop_count
and make it a counter, then ->stop() increments it, and ->start()
decrements it and everybody ensures the thing doesn't get restart while
!0 etc..
I suspect you need to guard the generic part of this feature with a new
PERF_PMU_CAP_ flag and then have the coresight/etc. people opt-in once
they've audited things.
James, does that work for you?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-29 12:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-23 12:18 [PATCH RFC 0/3] perf/core: Add ability for an event to "pause" or "resume" AUX area tracing Adrian Hunter
2023-11-23 12:18 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] perf/core: Add aux_pause, aux_resume, aux_start_paused Adrian Hunter
2023-11-29 10:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-23 12:18 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] perf/x86/intel/pt: Add support for pause_resume() Adrian Hunter
2023-11-29 9:53 ` James Clark
2023-11-29 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-29 11:15 ` Adrian Hunter
2023-11-29 12:23 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-11-30 10:07 ` James Clark
2023-12-05 5:36 ` Adrian Hunter
2023-11-23 12:18 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] perf tools: Add support for AUX area pause_resume() Adrian Hunter
2023-11-28 19:52 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] perf/core: Add ability for an event to "pause" or "resume" AUX area tracing Ian Rogers
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